Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Thanks, Jamie. In closing, we are confident in our strategy, in the strength of our business models, in our momentum, in delivering higher sales and earnings growth, and in outperforming the market. With a very unique portfolio, strong brands, technologies, an asset-light and flexible cost structure, and consistent cash generation, PPG remains a compelling long-term investment. Thank you to our PPG team around the world who make it happen and deliver on our purpose every day. We protect and beautify the world. We appreciate your continued confidence in PPG. That concludes our prepared remarks. Chase, we are now ready to begin the question-and-answer session. Please open the first line for our questions.
Matthew DeYoe — Analyst, Bank of America
I appreciate that comps can vary quarter-to-quarter, as I look at Performance Coatings, kind of wanted to know why they were down so much sequentially. Then as we try to bridge the gap to 2H, what gives you the confidence the business can actually accelerate, particularly as some of this raw material backdrop is actually going to creep up on you incrementally as we move through the rest of the year.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yeah. Hey, thanks, Matt. Performance Coatings, the drop in sales was entirely Refinish year-over-year comps. That's really the quick answer. All of our other businesses in that space, we grew double-digit in Aerospace, we grew double-digit in Protective and Marine. We grew mid-single-digit in Traffic. The rest of that segment is growing. The delta in performance was purely Refinish comps. To your second question, look, we had a great quarter on growth across the company, eight out of nine businesses, and we fully understand what happened on the ninth.
That one's going to return to growth starting in this quarter. Refinish will grow in Q3, and Refinish will grow in Q4. We've got great momentum on the top line. We're beating market across most of our businesses. Couldn't be happier with how fast we came out of the gates on pricing, able to pull forward our break-even point. We've got strong momentum there.
Look, to your point, while there are a number of factors outside of our control, we've proven that how quickly we can move on pricing to accommodate any other changes in what might happen on the raw material environment. We are confident that that Refinish de-stocking in the U.S. is behind us. The one business that didn't grow is now going to start growing. When you add that plus the momentum that we have in pricing, we feel really confident in our second half guide.
Alex Lopez — Director of Investor Relations, PPG
Hey, Matt, this is Alex. Just to add some color to your third question, sequentially, the drop in margin on that segment, let's remember price net inflation in Q1 was positive. Price net inflation in Q2 on that segment is neutral. It covered inflation, but it was positive in Q1, flat in Q2.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
It'll be positive in Q3.
Kevin McCarthy — Analyst, Vertical Research Partners
Yes, thank you and-
Kevin McCarthy — Analyst, Vertical Research Partners
Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. Tim, wanted to move the discussion to your Industrial Coatings business. The volume there of +5%, I think, was the best in five years. It looks as though maybe you punched above your weight in Auto OEM. Maybe you can kind of unpack the volume growth trajectory as you see it in that business. On a related note, I think your Industrial segment sales guide for the third quarter is flat to down low single digits compared to the +7% total sales growth that you posted in June. Maybe just some comments on why that might decelerate sequentially would be helpful.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Kevin, you nailed it, man. We're thrilled with the growth results out of Industrial Coatings segment, it's one that we've been working on for a couple of years. As you know well, when you win business in auto or packaging, it could be a year and a half until you actually launch that business. We've been talking about share gains in those businesses for two years, and it's starting to hit the P&L now as we launch at our customer facilities. The good news is you should count on about $25 million of new business wins in that segment per quarter hitting the P&L as we go forward, across all three of those businesses, Auto, Packaging, and Industrial.
Great quarter for growth in Industrial segment. All three of those have growth momentum. If you look at Auto, plus low single digits for Q2, that's accelerating as we launch more share gains in Q3. Industrial is the one that really flipped for us, that had been down for a number of quarters. Now the share gains in that business have started to launch up mid-single digits Q2. We expect that to grow in Q3 and beyond.
The reason the overall range, frankly, is a little bit lower is because Packaging, we are stacking double digits on double digits on double digits. The year-over-year comp starts to, just mathematically, go from double digits down to something else, maybe high single digits or mid-single digits for Packaging. It drags the whole segment. We'll still be growing nicely, at least for the rest of 2026. Some of the wins we're getting won't even launch until 2027. Yeah, exciting turnaround in the Industrial Coatings segment.
James Hooper — Analyst, Bernstein Research
Hi, good morning.
James Hooper — Analyst, Bernstein Research
Hi, good morning. Thanks very much for taking my questions. I would like to go into a little bit more detail about the Refinish margin and how you see that coming back, I -- overtime, because you know the previously you've said this was the highest margin business in the group, I had to get more detail on how that rebuilds really help drive the kind of EPS growth story.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yeah. Thanks, James. It's definitely one of our top margin businesses in the portfolio. There's a couple others that are in a tight race as well with Refinish, one of our top margins. Within Refinish is majority collision, which is what we talk about all the time. There are other parts of that business that use Refinish technologies that aren't exactly collision. Within that business, collision is the highest margin within that business. When you have a big year-over-year comp delta on one of your top segments, it has a fairly sizable negative margin impact on the whole segment. Our confidence level going forward is a couple things.
Number one, we are confident that the destocking in the United States is behind us, Our run rate going forward and our year-over-year comp rate going forward changes significantly. Number two, Alex touched on this a bit. While we were out quickly on pricing in Refinish with the Iran conflict, we'll continue to drive pricing to get that kind of gross margin back where it needs to be. The combination of those two give us confidence that going forward, you won't see that margin delta. In fact, if you look at the total Performance Coatings segments, you'll see sales growth, you'll see earnings growth, we'll return to margin growth as we move through Q3 and beyond.
James Hooper — Analyst, Bernstein Research
Thank you.
Ghansham Panjabi — Analyst, Baird
Yeah, good morning, everybody, and welcome to you, Jamie. I guess just going back to the price cost recovery timeline coming in one quarter ahead of schedule, Tim. Can you just give us more color as to how you were able to accomplish that? Was it pricing execution on your end? Is it raws have moderated relative to perhaps what you thought initially? What's driving that change?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Hey, Ghansham. Raws were up more than we thought initially. Right? What happened is we learn through these inflationary cycles, we learned some things last time and got a little faster. We learned some more things this time and got even faster. I think also just the abruptness of the increase driven by the conflict with Iran, it took away any lag period between assessing whether or not, or do we need to go out with significant price increases?
Pretty much overnight. You take away any lag period at the beginning, you incent the teams to beat what they did last time, of course, you take the learnings from last time. All of our businesses came out of the gates a lot faster and with more meaningful price increases. Again, we were able to offset 90% of it in just a quarter. We've got some more price actions coming out this quarter and beyond, which gives us full confidence to pull forward that kind of break-even run rate period that we previously committed to you.
David Begleiter — Analyst, Deutsche Bank
Good morning, Jamie, welcome as well. Tim, just so we finish, to be clear, do you expect volumes to still be up in Q3? If so, how much? Also, one of your competitors announced some pretty large body shop wins, etc, this past quarter. Are you seeing similar wins and share gains in the Refinish as we move forward? Thank you.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Hey, David. Volumes will be up in Q3 and Q4. Not huge amounts because this business is typically a low-volume business, then you make your top line by a combination of expanding your TAM to some of our productivity solutions and share gains and pricing. Yes, on the volumes, even better on the top line. I used to be a salesperson in this business. I know it well. Unlike Automotive or Packaging where there's huge cost to change, there's share shift in this business, not just every quarter, every month. There's share shift every day, right?
We closely watch net wins. Sometimes there's an MSO share shift, which is a little bigger than a body shop here and there. You'll recall last quarter we talked about a big MSO that we had won that's now converted. We have another big MSO that we're going to be converting in the future here. It's really just a normal period, I would call it, and nothing extraordinarily different as far as what's happening with share in the Refinish market.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
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Alex Lopez — Director of Investor Relations, PPG
Maybe if we go to the next question, Chase. I don't know if it's mic open, but we can try. I see Chris Parkinson on the line.
Speaker — Analyst
Tim, if we just take a step back and just get away from Refinish for a second. Into the second half of the year, and I'm not going to ask you for a crystal ball for 2027 quite yet, but where are the three or four areas where you're stealing the most share, and you are incredibly confident with your team that you are growing above market sustainably?
Would that be essentially, Aerospace, Protective and Marine, Comex, and perhaps Packaging? Is there anywhere else you think you should be stealing more share? If you could just give us a little bit more to triangulate where you think you should be growing relative to market rates, over the next 6-12 months, that would be particularly helpful. Thank you.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yeah. Hey, Chris. I prefer to say winning share versus stealing share, but, I'm just going to look through our businesses here. Aerospace, you know the story there. You were at the deep dive. We just continue to incrementally increase our strong share position there. PPG Comex, similar thing, more of a continuous improvement of share wins. Packaging, step change, and that's driven by our technologies, U.S. and Europe in particular, and a lot of the share gain this year is coming from Europe. That's more of a step change versus incremental.
Protective and Marine, I would say mostly in the marine businesses in Europe and Asia is where our share gains are coming there. Industrial, we've been building up to this for about five or six quarters now, so some of the share that we won there, we actually won last year. We're launching it this year. We're seeing outsized growth in powder coating, specifically within Industrial. We see some solid pipeline coming.
Auto, we outperformed the market by 500 basis points, so definitely share gain there with more to launch in the second half of the year. Architectural Europe, again, in the countries that we operate, we don't operate in every country, but in the larger countries that we operate, about 75% of them, we are gaining share, and 25% we've either held or lost incrementally, so net net, we're winning.
Our Traffic business, small U.S. only. We did an acquisition, a small acquisition last quarter, so that's a bit of a step change in share there. You add all that together, Chris, this is why we feel so good about our momentum. This is why we're so proud of what we put out in second quarter, something we've been incrementally building up to for three years now. It's why we feel so good about second half and beyond is I didn't list one business there where I was concerned that we might be losing share.
Jamie Beggs — SVP and CFO, PPG
Yeah, if I can add on, Tim. It's been so impressive to see just the commercial efforts walking into PPG, if you take a look, six consecutive quarters of organic growth. If I look at the actual individual performance of all the SBUs, the majority of them actually grew volume, this is a really hard environment for any company to be able to do. I've been very impressed. There's been a lot of structural things on the selling machine and some other things that Tim has advocated. For me to see that live underneath the hood here is quite impressive. It gives us a ton of confidence, especially if we're going to the second half, how we're going to continue to grow organically, which is an important objective for the entire company.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yeah, on Refinish, Chris, you'll recall in October, we told everyone on this call, we told the world that we recognized we were going to be subject to a significant destocking until the middle of 2026. We're now in the middle of 2026. That significant destocking is behind us. Now the path forward here is net net body shop wins, which we typically do very well at. Again, we feel great about our momentum.
Alex Lopez — Director of Investor Relations, PPG
Operator, I see John Roberts on the line. Maybe John, if you can try.
John Roberts — Analyst, Mizuho
Thank you. Tim, within general industrial, or the general industrial SBU within the Industrial segment, two of the largest competitors of yours are merging, and I think that's where they may have the most antitrust overlap. Is that a contributor to the inflection that you're seeing in your growth there?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Hey, John. It's hard to say, because some of this growth we're achieving in general industrial is stuff we won last year. Most of it announced before the potential merger that I think was announced in November. Some of it announced after that. It's really hard to say how much of that is driven by pre-announcement and post-announcement. What I will say is, there's obviously some anxiety and a bit of a distraction, in the short term. Maybe that contributed to some of it.
Our team is out there every day just attacking the share gain opportunities in general industrial, which happens to be one of our bigger growth opportunities as a company because we have relatively, compared to some of our other verticals, lower market share there with great technologies. I think it's more about the execution of what Jamie talked about, commercial excellence, our selling machine, and perhaps some, but we can't really point to that specifically.
Duffy Fischer — Analyst, Goldman Sachs
Good morning. Just a couple of questions back on Refinish, if we could. When was peak sales for that business, and how much are we down from that peak sales period on a run rate basis? Underlying, has there been a mix shift in your business within that? Are customers trading down because of the financial difficulties around insurance and paying for stuff? At this lower level of sales, how has structural margins been impacted within that business?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Duffy, I'll let Alex confirm with you the specific quarter of peak. If you think about where the market in the United States saw a downturn, it was largely, say, mid-2024 and all of 2025. I would surmise that our peak was around that 2024 area. I have to caveat that with, even though that was market, you know very well that we were expanding our TAM, we were expanding our pricing, and we were expanding our share. There may be a little bit of a delta there, and I'll let Alex come back and confirm. To your second point, we have not seen a negative mix shift despite the challenging financials that some of our end users were under during that period.
Frankly, quite the opposite, because what they value in good times, but particularly in bad times, is their own productivity and their own shop output. We sell outstanding coatings in that business, but we also bring best-in-class productivity tools through our digital ecosystem, that helps them reduce labor costs, increase throughput, reduce waste, and net get more cars out per week, which is really what drives their financial performance. We did not see a step down from premium to value or anything like that during this period.
Alex Lopez — Director of Investor Relations, PPG
The big derailment, if you look at annual sales of it, this is Alex, 2024-2025, it was the insurance premiums when they escalated, let's say, 16%-17% every year. That's what created the big disconnect with miles driven. As Tim pointed out at the beginning of the call, those insurance premiums, actually, we saw this quarter, Q2, in the U.S., lower insurance premiums, and it's the first time since 2023 that that happens.
Jeff Zekauskas — Analyst, JPMorgan
Thanks very much. I have a two-part question. In your press release, you say that your cash flow from operations was higher by roughly $220 million year-over-year. Is that temporary, or is that something you can maintain over the course of the year? That is, your operating cash flow being a couple of $100 million better than last year. Second, in auto refinish, just to try to clarify things, your first half volumes are down, I don't know, 12% or 13%, and you think your second half volumes will be up maybe 8%, so you're looking for roughly a 5% volume decrease this year. Is that the way to encapsulate it?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Hey, Jeff, this is Tim. I'll take part B and let our new CFO take part A on the cash. I'd say you're in the right ballpark on first half volumes, right? Down low double digits. I don't know if it was exactly 12%, but that's in the ballpark. I'd say you're a little high on your second half volumes. You might be right on your second half revenue, but on volumes, liters of paint, it's probably more like up low single digits, you've got price on top of that, you've got our digital ecosystem and our subscriptions on top of that. Down low double digits first half, up low single digits second half on pure volume.
Jamie Beggs — SVP and CFO, PPG
Yeah, Jeff, on cash flow from operations, there's been a lot of good work by the teams on managing working capital. What we expected was basically that continuous improvement instead of waiting towards the back half of the year, really getting on that earlier and really good management by the team. I don't expect there to be anything changed from what was provided for. If we're operating from cash flow, we expect north of 10% on a sales basis. We expect that to be where we end up for the year. It was just a really nice win by the team to manage that earlier in the year.
Speaker — Analyst, BMO Capital Markets
Hey, good morning. This is Caleb on for John. Tim, you've spoken a lot about pushing through pricing and also going for share on the call. How are you balancing those two dynamics?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yeah. Hey, Caleb. The reality is that we haven't really seen any, frankly, none that I know of, lost business as a result of our pricing efforts. We don't jam price with our customers. We collaborate with our customers. We're not just selling them a product, right? We're a part of their operations. We're a part of their business success. It's more of a collaborative approach. We respect the business they run, they respect the business we run.
We don't really lose share typically when we approach pricing because of the way we approach pricing. The momentum that we have on sales growth is just continuous execution of sales pipeline. When it comes time where you've got a dramatic increase in cost of goods sold inflation, some of them are contractual, a lot of them are just collaboration with our end customers in a way that we help their business, they help ours.
Vincent Andrews — Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Thank you very much. I just wanted to ask on buybacks, the pace decelerated in Q2 versus Q1, but your cash flow was better. It looks like the share price was lower for most of the quarter. Is it you were looking at some M&A stuff, or any other issues there? I guess maybe just also a comment on, forget about the large stuff, but how's the smaller, more bolt-on M&A pipeline looking?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Hey, Vincent. On the capital deployment, we still deployed about the same amount because we did close on one of our small bolt-ons that cost us about $65 million. We bought back about $75 million. As Jamie was describing that working capital execution throughout the quarter, frankly came in better than we expected. Some of it was timing in that we ended up with more cash than we expected when we put our buyback plan in. The way we do it, we sit down in the middle of each quarter, me, Jamie, and John Jankowski, our treasurer, we do our best estimate of what's it going to look like from an incoming cash. We know what it's going to take to pay our dividend.
We got some really great CapEx investments right now in Aero in particular. Then we look at M&A pipeline, then whatever's left, we say, "Okay, let's do repo." When we did our math this time, the total deployment was a little less than what we did last quarter and the quarter before, but in the same ballpark. That's not at all a change in execution strategy. We're going to continue to do what we've done. I've been consistent for 15 quarters since I took this job. We've bought shares back 11 straight quarters, I stand behind, I'm not going to let cash grow on a balance sheet.
We raised dividends this quarter, too. No change in strategy. A little bit of it was timing of we did better on working capital than we thought we would. We got to remember that we did that small bolt-on. The second part of your question on pipeline. There's nothing really big in our pipeline right now. We got a couple little bolt-ons, may or may not happen. Wouldn't hold your breath, but you never know. I think you should expect us to continue the same capital deployment strategy, that is, we'll look at it next month, in the middle of the quarter. We're not going to let cash grow on a balance sheet. We'll do our best to estimate what that surplus cash is going to be. Then we'll buy back shares accordingly.
Josh Spector — Analyst, UBS
Good morning. I wanted to come back to performance and maybe some of the initial questions around the margins in that segment. I know the year-over-year is messy. I was looking quarter-over-quarter and you had almost $300 million higher sales. You had about $40 million-ish higher EBITDA. It's about a 15% incremental. It's probably about half I would have expected if you were even on price cost.
It seems like there's something else in there, either investments or something on mix that may have impacted you. I'm just curious on your thoughts about why that would have looked that way and why it wouldn't have been higher given you've had growth in Aero and some of the other businesses which were generally higher incrementals. Thank you.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Josh. It really, Alex can fill in if there's any smaller down on the Pareto list that I'm not thinking about. When I look at it was really two things. We already talked about the year-over-year comp in Refinish, which is the biggest part of it. Price cost was not neutral for the whole quarter. Right? In Q1 it was positive, right? Because that was largely before the war. We had a big positive price cost in Q1 and a slightly negative price cost in Q2, which will be positive going forward. Those two make up the vast majority. If I'm missing some minutiae, when I looked at it, those were really the explanations.
Mike Harrison — Analyst, Seaport Research Partners
Hi. Good morning. Can you hear me?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yes, Mike.
Mike Harrison — Analyst, Seaport Research Partners
Great. Well, welcome aboard, Jamie. My question's on the protective and marine business. It seems like you guys have been in this sustained upswing. I think you said 13 straight quarters of organic growth. It seems like other companies are seeing this as well. Understanding that you guys have a nice innovation and some share gains in marine, but I'm just curious, do you feel like the underlying strength in the business is related to infrastructure growth?
Is there pent-up demand or maintenance requirements that are flowing through? What are the main drivers of the strength? And really what I'm trying to get at is how sustainable do you think that strength could be? Is it possible that we are starting to get nearer a peak and may start to see demand cycle a little bit lower?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Hey, Mike. We put up double digits again. To be honest with you, just from a comp standpoint, because we're comping double, double, we thought we might actually be high single digits. We outperformed our own expectations there. I don't think we're anywhere near a peak. Mike, just from the law of big denominators, you might start seeing high single digits, mid single digits as we comp multiple, multiple doubles.
You mentioned marine. We're doing particularly well in marine aftermarket, also in marine new build in Asia. We're doing particularly well in fire protection, which is really growing, whether it's hydrocarbon or cellulosic fire protection for things like data centers and warehouses. There's quite a pipeline in data center work, which is not only fire protection, but structural steel flooring, insulative coatings, dielectric coatings. There's a number of verticals. You mentioned infrastructure.
There's a number of verticals that are particularly strong here. Energy. All of those things are driving robust top line, we see that continuing for quite some time period. You mentioned maintenance. Maintenance is more like the floor where it just keeps chugging along. It doesn't go up a lot. It doesn't go down a lot. It's pretty steady. It's more those particulars that I pointed out that still have quite a bit of runway. We don't really see a peak on the horizon, we'll start having lower comps just because of bigger denominators.
Eric Boyes — Analyst, Evercore
Good morning, thanks. Could you remind, on the cadence of your raw material purchases, do you lock in a good portion for the quarter at the very beginning of the quarter or maybe late in the prior quarter? When we see some of these recent temporary spikes in crude, does PPG tend to kind of vary your purchase cadence, or is it pretty programmatic? I guess I'm trying to get a sense on how impactful the short-term crude volatility is or isn't for PPG. Thank you.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Eric. I'd say there's a typical answer that on average, we're locking stuff in at 45-60 days in advance. Every contract's different. That's a good walking around kind of number. You mentioned oil in particular. Solvents, which is one part of our spend that's somewhere probably in the 10%, 15% of our total spend, and Alex can give you the exact number later. That stuff moves very quickly because it's pretty much straight off the wellhead, right?
Up, down, that moves pretty quickly. Only about half of our raw material basket is any form of a derivative of petrochem. Some of it, we'll do an annual contract on things like pigments or things like that that don't really have much to do at all with the price of oil. We've got oil derivatives that don't move nearly as fast up or down with the price of oil because they're one step or two steps removed from the wellhead. That's how I would describe it. Walking around average, 45-60 days, but there's exceptions on both ends.
Frank Mitsch — Analyst, Fermium Research LLC
Thank you so much, and welcome Jamie to PPG. Just a couple questions on auto. I know that it's been discussed a lot, but obviously, Tim, it sounded like on the Refinish side, you didn't have any major concerns in terms of share shifts one way or the other on the Refinish side. On Auto OEM, it sounded like obviously, you're gaining share there. Can you talk about the sustainability of your market shares in both Refinish and in Auto OEM?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Sure, Frank. Auto OEM, we started talking about our $100 million of Industrial segment share gains last year. Being very impatient, I kept waiting to see that on the P&L. Hey, we're seeing it on the P&L now. That about 40% of the numbers that me and Alex have been quoting for Industrial segment wins are in Auto OEM. We talked about 100 total Industrial segments last year, probably another 100 this year, some of which will roll into the next year.
We've got a good line of sight to additional Auto OEM outperformance for the next several quarters, and which is really about as far out as you're quoting business. We feel good there. Refinish is more of a, there's very few big share shifts in that industry. It's more about singles and the occasional double every day. Despite what's shown up on the P&L because of the de-stocking comp issue, we've continued to win those singles and doubles at more than our fair share. We feel good about kind of incremental share gains in Refinish, more step change in Auto OEM.
Arun Viswanathan — Analyst, RBC Capital Markets
Great. Thanks for taking my question. Hope you guys are well. Wanted to get your thoughts on the portfolio as it stands right now. Are there any areas that you find are delivering returns below your threshold? Maybe due to some structural volume issues. Appears that you have some momentum in aerospace and a few other businesses, but unfortunately that's being canceled out by some of the other verticals. Wanted to get your thoughts on the portfolio and if there's any areas that you think could be optimized or you'd want to exit at this point. Thanks.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Hey, Arun. I'll give you the spoiler alert first. I'll walk through them a little bit. Spoiler alert, I got nothing for sale right now. Nothing of size, anything you all would notice even. We went through the period of selling two businesses, and we also sold a whole bunch of small ones, to clean things up. We have a couple on the fringes that I'd like to clean up to. Some of it's performance, some of it is they just don't fit our enterprise growth strategy going forward. So small you would never even see them. That's the conclusion right now. I have to put the stamp on, that I always say, and all of our businesses know this, they have to earn their right to be in the portfolio every day, every quarter, every year.
You mentioned Aerospace, that's at one end of the profitability growth spectrum. Laws of averages, we have some that are below that average that we're working really hard to get up, and you can see which ones they are just by looking at our segment EBITDA performance. That doesn't mean that they're on the for sale block right now. We're working really hard to continuously improve their margin, delivery. If we didn't believe that we had path to improve margin delivery, we'd be having another conversation.
Laurence Alexander — Analyst, Jefferies
For the Industrial and the Auto, when you look at the amount that the innovation pipeline is contributing to your performance ahead of the end markets, do you expect, based on what you have visibility on now, is that gap widening going into next year, or do you expect it to at least be stable for next year through the end of the year?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Go ahead, Alex.
Alex Lopez — Director of Investor Relations, PPG
Hey, Laurence, this is Alex. We've been outperforming the industry, for quite some time now, one year. We expect to continue to outperform, probably not at the same level of the 500 basis points that we did this quarter. Just to remind you, last quarter we did 300 basis points. Certainly we expect that gap to continue, not at the same level of the 500 basis points.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yeah. If I try to, maybe I misunderstood your question, Laurence, on the innovation side. We've got a continuous innovation pipeline in auto, and as you know, that's one of our highest technology businesses. A lot of those share wins are coming from a combination of that innovation pipeline plus commercial excellence, plus the great field service that we provide to help our customers be more productive. As I look at the innovation pipeline in auto, we've got a number of things that aren't ready to launch today that are coming through to drive productivity for our customers, lower energy for our customers.
I know EV is not exactly the shining star it used to be, but the EV growth rates, particularly in China, continue to expand, and so we've got a number of product initiatives coming for that space as well. Alex is right. Our line of sight, we have good outperformance on the horizon. In an innovation pipeline, we've got a number of things that just aren't quite ready to be commercialized yet, that we feel good about for the coming quarters and years.
Speaker — Analyst, Citigroup
Hey, everyone. Good morning. This is Rachel. I'm for Patrick. For Architectural EMEA, how much of the margin improvement is sustainable from price realization versus some early benefits from your restructuring and planned closure of European manufacturing plants? Thank you.
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yeah. Hey, Rachel. I would say you've only just begun to see the margin enhancement from that business. It's a combination of three things. We've taken some good share in that business in our key countries, so the volume certainly helps give us some leverage. We've launched a number of sustainable products, which for our European customers are very important, which have incrementally higher gross margins.
We've gotten price in that business ahead of the inflation spike with the war, and we'll get more price after this quarter. We've taken out some RSG&A, and are starting to see that benefit. You really haven't seen any benefit from a leverage standpoint from the plant closures, because they won't close until Q4, Q1, and so there's some continuous incremental improvement in margin in that business that you'll see as we move through the year. Then there's another step change in 2027 as we execute the closure of those facilities.
Abigail Eberts — Analyst, Wells Fargo
Hi there. Thanks for taking my question. You called out $500 million in aerospace CapEx. I'm recalling your Shelby, North Carolina project was supposed to run about $380 million. Is any of that $120 million delta from CapEx creep from that project, or is that from other smaller debottlenecking projects?
Tim Knavish — Chairman and CEO, PPG
Yeah. Hey, Abigail. The $500 million, I think $380, I don't think I know, $380 million was Shelby, the new plant that's under construction now. The other $120 was above and beyond CapEx that we're spending at existing facilities such as Huntsville, Alabama, Mojave, California, and others to debottleneck, but also just add incremental capacity at those facilities. That it's that $120 million that we're just now starting to see improvement in outputs from, and of course, the $380 will come when that plant comes online. We're probably not done. We continue to build for the future in that outstanding high growth, good margin business at returns that are great for our shareholders.
Alex Lopez — Director of Investor Relations, PPG
Thank you, Chase. We appreciate your interest and confidence in PPG. This concludes our second quarter earnings call.