Manish Somaiya — Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald
Thank you, and congratulations on an exceptionally strong quarter to the team. A couple of questions, Dan. Maybe on the NTI acquisition to begin with, if you could just help us understand the customer overlap between NTI, Power Solutions, and the legacy communications business, and how do you see immediate cross-selling opportunities?
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
That's the beauty of this transaction, Manish. Thank you for asking the question to start. This is a partnership with Power Solutions that goes back a number of years between them and NTI. That's how we were connected to NTI to begin with. We started talking to them about opportunities on the communication side, the work we're doing inside the fence in other facilities around the country.
We started to see some really good efficiencies there and began conversations on how we can make them part of the Dycom family. What you see ultimately is the potential for campuses to have not only Power Solutions doing the electrical inside, but NTI also doing the structured cabling, while our communications business is doing the inside the fence work, and then ultimately connecting it back to the long-haul and middle-mile routes.
It's a completely comprehensive operating that quite literally connects the homes and businesses of America all the way into the data centers and the racks themselves. Ton of synergies to actually cross-sell that work. A lot of their work, just like Power Solutions, goes to the general contractors, but they also have relationships with the hyperscalers. We get to have conversations on really both those fronts, and we're already seeing, again, before the acquisition, just in conversations to try and sell that as a partnership, seeing really good connection there, and we think that's going to even go exponential here now that they'll be part of the Dycom family next quarter.
Manish Somaiya — Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald
That's helpful. Then just going to the guidance for the full year. Clearly, Q1 was exceptionally strong. Outlook for 2Q is strong. When I look at the full-year guidance range, it still looks a bit conservative. I'm just trying to figure out if there's anything in the second half that I'm missing. Specifically, when I look at the total increase in revenues versus the prior guidance that you gave for the full year, I think it's about 7%, 7.5%. Maybe if you can just help us reconcile as to what's happening in the first half versus the second half. Thank you.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Incredibly pleased with the start of the year. I'll talk really about the collective, Manish, and then each of the segments, if I could. First, significant growth. We're looking at 56% year-over-year revenue growth. That takes a lot of investment. We were fortunate with the weather, right? Q1 really behaved more like a Q2 or a Q3. What's important, though, is the demand has to be there.
What it shows is this demand that we've been talking about across the business, across the demand drivers, is incredibly strong. We were able to capitalize on that. On the Communications side, we've been talking about Fiber-to-the-Home for a long time, and we've been sending the message that, listen, this is really only early in the build. There's a lot of growth opportunity left in Fiber-to-the-Home.
There's still several years where the passings are going to continue to increase. There's several years beyond that where the cost for passing will increase. What you really see in Q1, because that was really aided on the Communications side by Fiber-to-the-Home, is that is starting to take place. Just as we talked about, just as we set up our strategy. We believe that's going to continue. Like a lot of things, that doesn't mean it's perfectly linear. When you start out with a very strong seasonal quarter and you're running into Q2 and Q3, and you see in our outlook for Q2 that that does become. You don't see the same kind of upswing that you would see.
A reminder, on both sides of the business, of course, we build these from the bottoms up, and so it's not going to be perfect linear, but we're incredibly pleased with the overall growth and results. On the Building Systems segment, one, you see incredible growth the first year. We're talking about now for the full year, them doubling the CAGR that they've had over the last four or five years. Going from 15%-30% plus growth.
That is significant, requires significant investment. Even with that investment, you can see already we're in the high teens EBITDA margin range. Very pleased there as well. A couple more comments. One is if you look at their backlog, it is very different in how it behaves. Those projects get contracted right before we're about to start the build.
What we do have behind that, though, is what we call ABNC, awarded but not contracted, and then further behind that shadow backlog. What I can tell you is even though we don't publish those numbers, they are multiples of what you see in that immediate backlog. That gives us the confidence, Manish, for the year to raise the overall revenue on the Building Systems side, gives us confidence in the margin profile because we can see what those projects look like, and we can see how those shape. Just like on the Communications side, that doesn't mean that they all start at the exact same time and finish at the same time. We do shape that out over the year.
All told, what you see is significant growth. We're incredibly pleased with that. We see continued opportunities to invest in the business for growth beyond this year. We're just incredibly proud of our teams for being able to deliver at the level they're delivering today.
Eric Luebchow — Analyst, Wells Fargo
Great. Thanks for taking the question. Dan, I think you said, and you alluded to it in your last comment about Fiber-to-the-Home projects ramping a little faster than you expected, and maybe just a little more color on that. Do you think there's a little bit of a pull forward of demand you saw in the first quarter, or do you think there's signs you're actually gaining market share of some of these larger programs as they ramp this year and next?
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
That's exactly right, Eric. We are continuing to expand our market presence, right? We are getting additional awards in additional spaces. We continue to deliver at an exceptional level. We're not perfect. Trust me, we're not perfect. Our teams are absolutely committed to making our customers successful. From a timing perspective, we've been talking about how these builds themselves are building and growing and ramping, and how that happens at different paces.
What you're seeing this year is many coming online and really starting to increase in volume and velocity at the same time. Again, if you look at our overall outlook for the year, you see that that's continuing, right? You see the significant growth over last year. This isn't something we publish, but if you just look sequentially quarter-over-quarter, our Fiber-to-the-Home work grew 33% in one quarter's time.
It just shows our ability to capitalize there and continue to grow against that. I think if you listen to other commentary in the industry, it's not always the same message, which really, from our perspective, just shows our ability to, one, execute on the work, but two, how our customers continue to grow our share as we continue to deliver for them.
Eric Luebchow — Analyst, Wells Fargo
Great. Thanks for that, Dan. Just one follow-up. You alluded to the fact you're signing some longer duration contracts with your customers to lock in their labor supply, and I guess, how are you thinking about structuring those contracts to make sure you have cost inflation protection? I know we've seen some costs like fuel, in particular, rise pretty rapidly in the last couple of months, and just wondering how you think about projecting that future cost curve. Thank you.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Fuel has obviously been an impact for anybody that's doing our line of work. What we've done and what I talked about last quarter, we made intentional moves last year around our fleet to help offset that, and that has helped mitigate. Obviously, our expansion into the Building Systems segment, that does not use as much fuel per dollar of revenue as we use on the communication side.
All that has helped to offset, but to your point, yeah, it's certainly been an impact. We're watching it closely like everybody else. We do have that modeled in based on everything that we can all know today in our outlook for the rest of the year. We do feel good about that. When it comes to the long-term contracts, this is a really good point to make. We've been talking about the skilled workforce.
We've been talking about building ahead of our customers and making sure that we can be there to meet their needs. We've talked about our relationships, where we're spending time with customers, not just talking about the work that we're going to do this year or even next year, but out through the end of the decade. What all of our customers recognize is that the skilled workforce is really what's going to make or break their builds. It's going to make or break their ability to succeed in their very robust and in many cases, growing plans.
As part of those conversations, as you would expect, it naturally evolves to, "Hey, Dycom, how do we make sure that we have your teams locked up to deliver on our plans all the way through the end of the decade?" Of course, Eric, as you would think, we are very thoughtful in how we would contract that work.
We were very thoughtful in how we would think about the different parts and pieces, and our customers understand that because contracting three or four years out, right, you got to be smart about how you set that up. We feel really good about how those contracts are structured. We feel really good about the relationships. We feel really good about, one, our ability to continue to deliver and our ability to continue to grow. As you can see in our outlook for the Communications segment, also our ability to invest and grow margin at the same time.
Eric Luebchow — Analyst, Wells Fargo
Great. Thanks, Dan. Congrats on the quarter.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Thank you.
Joseph Osha — Analyst, Guggenheim Partners
Hi. Thanks very much for taking the question. Two questions, actually. First, you commented a bit in terms of the outcome, but as I think about the improved outlook on the Communications segment side for the rest of the year, is most of that coming from FTTH or is there some long-haul and middle-mile in there? The second question I'll just ask now, is there an upper limit to leverage that you have that you're thinking about? I'm just trying to understand how far you might take that as you continue to explore other acquisition opportunities. Thank you.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Absolutely. On the Communications outlook, it is largely Fiber-to-the-Home. Again, Joseph, this is a message that we've been sending. Fiber-to-the-Home is still earlier on in the overall cycle from our perspective, and we see significant continued growth, and that's really what gives us confidence in that raise for the year on the Communications side and the overall performance there. It also goes back to the question that was just asked about our confidence to continue to contract that further out.
The long-haul and middle-mile is still in early innings. I've said before that we really see that as 2027 calendar coming online, but 2028 really kind of being that fast and furious year. Now, that said, we've been doing it for some time now. A couple of years we've been working on these projects.
We still think we were first on the field. We continue to get more and more work there. We continue to grow that revenue. If you look at it compared to Fiber-to-the-Home, Fiber-to-the-Home is just much more robust today, and we like that. We like how those will blend together as you start to move several years out. On the leverage question, again, we're, one, very excited about the opportunity set.
We do have a strategy, what kind of companies we're looking for. The culture has to fit first and foremost. It's got to fit our strategy for growth and how it actually augments our current opportunity set. From a leverage point itself, again, we're going to be very responsible, just like we've always been.
We're going to have that discipline to make sure anytime we bring leverage up, we're going to have a clear path to bring it back down. We do not want to be elevated over long periods of time. That said, there's a lot of attractive opportunities out there, and we talked about in our prepared remarks that we're still actively looking and having those conversations, but again, we are going to be prudent in how we think about leverage.
Joseph Osha — Analyst, Guggenheim Partners
Thank you.
Frank Louthan — Analyst, Raymond James & Associates
Great. Thank you. On the DSOs, how sustainable is that? Is this sort of a new normal, or was there something in the quarter that kind of impacted that, and how should we think about that going forward? When we look at NTI, how should we think about its overall exposure if you break it down between data centers and then more of the AV and DAS type opportunities? Thanks.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Thanks for noticing the DSOs, Frank, because we put a lot of work into that. We talked about it being a priority going back to last year. We talked about it being part of our four strategic priorities for this year. What I want to make clear is that's improvement on both segments of the business.
That's not just an offset from Power Solutions having a better profile in that industry. We've been working hard on the communication side as well and saw significant improvement in the DSOs there. When you combine it together, very pleased to be below 100, coming in at 96 days. We do think that's a sustainable range over time. On the NTI exposure, the raw numbers is about two-thirds data center exposure and about a third that is not data center.
Frank Louthan — Analyst, Raymond James & Associates
All right, great. Thank you.
Richard Cho — Analyst, JPMorgan
I just wanted to follow up with the long-haul middle-mile type of builds. Has that opportunity set changed at all as things have developed, and when should we expect that revenue to maybe start ramping? Just wanted to get an update there.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
It's grown significantly, Richard. We talked about, I'm trying to think, probably five quarters ago, this $20 billion opportunity set related to long-haul middle-mile. That has certainly grown. We've updated numbers internally. We haven't published that. What you've seen more and more is our customers being very vocal about it.
One of my favorite commentaries, one of our customers talked about how they're having conversations with hyperscalers about routes that would have up to 7,500-10,000 fiber strands per route. That is a huge number beyond even what we're talking about today when we're bringing in 864 or 1728 count fiber. If you think about getting to 7,500 or to 10,000 over time, it goes back to what we said.
This is a decade plus long build to get the architecture that they need out there to support the continued development and the continued consumption of data. We continue to do more work, and we are absolutely ramping up there. We are winning more. We're seeing more opportunity set. We're capitalizing on that. They just take a long time to get started. That runway, typically a year-ish from when you start hearing about these programs to when they get going, and then you have to ramp to get it on plane. Really start thinking about next year, calendar 2027, and especially calendar 2028.
Richard Cho — Analyst, JPMorgan
Yeah, those strand counts are pretty amazing. One follow-up on the Fiber-to-the-Home. Was it multiple companies ramping, and do you expect more to ramp from your entire base through the year? Just any color on the breadth.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Exactly. You're seeing more and more of these programs that are getting to accelerated levels of execution that are consistent. It is important to remember, when you hear our customers talk about it, that doesn't mean all markets that they have are ramping at the same time. It doesn't mean that we have every single market that they have.
We're looking at it from a very micro level. Yes, to your point, you're talking about ramping work across many customers, across many markets, which again, just goes back to that indication that the homes in America are going to get past the 60 million that our customers have talked about are going to get past. It's just going to take some time, and we're excited to be there to support them in that build.
Richard Cho — Analyst, JPMorgan
Great. Thank you.
Steven Fisher — Analyst, UBS
Thanks. Good morning, and congrats on the quarter. I'm curious on the Building Systems segment margins. What changed in the outlook for the rest of the year? I understand first quarter had some good execution, weather perhaps, but you're also raising the rest of the year to be consistent with the first quarter. I assume you're still making some of the scaling investments and the back office. I guess I'm curious, what happened with the rest of the outlook, and does that imply that there's still potentially some upside beyond this year if you're still making those investments and achieving the higher margins there?
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Yeah, I really could not be more pleased, one, with our team's ability to integrate Power Solutions, and two, with just the strength of their operation and their customer relationships, Steven. Last quarter, we talked a lot about making investments. Every time we do an acquisition, this one was unique because it was in a segment of its own, so everybody could see it. Every time we make an acquisition, we're going to invest in that.
When we close with NTI, we will make investments there because what we're trying to do is bring together two things to make something that's different than when they were apart. That does take investment. It does take clear strategy. We're typically adding resources and staff to help make that happen. That's what we were doing a quarter ago with Power Solutions.
What you can see is we were able to get traction on that incredibly quickly. When you talk about doubling a four or five-year trailing CAGR rate in a very short period of time, I don't think it would surprise anybody that takes a lot of investment and a whole lot of discipline. We couldn't be more pleased with how that's come through the business, and that gives us confidence as we look out to the rest of the year.
To your question, absolutely, we continue to make investments because this goes well beyond our fiscal 2027. We continue to make those investments for future growth. At the same time, we've got the confidence to say that that margin that we saw this first quarter, that we can be in that range throughout the year.
Steven Fisher — Analyst, UBS
Okay, thanks. Then just a follow-up, as it relates to NTI and a similar topic, can you just maybe talk about some of the investments that you need to make there? Maybe just some of the differences in the skill sets that you're bringing along, in terms of the type of labor and how easy or hard it is to go out and grow that skill set relative to what you brought in with Power Solutions in terms of electricians, et cetera.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Let me take the skill set one first, Steven. This is, again, great synergy for our business. This is an opportunity for us to have a fungible workforce. Some of the work that National Technology Integrators does is union. Some of the work that they do in other markets is non-union. In those non-union markets, that is very fungible for what we're doing in the inside-the-fence work.
We do have an ability to cross-train to augment staffing there. I don't want to get too far ahead of all the investments that we'll make because right now we're working to close and bring them formally into the family. Similar to what we've done in other places, right? How do we augment that to really create an inflection in the growth opportunity to give a different balance sheet, to give some different resources?
What we love about National Technology Integrators is that not only are they based in the DMV and have a lot of work there, but they're in these other markets, which are critical markets to what's going on in the data center space, markets like Texas. That just gives us another ability to flex off of that and to continue to grow and think about how do we continue to increase the Building Systems segment part of our business overall.
Steven Fisher — Analyst, UBS
Thank you very much.
Michael Dudas — Analyst, Vertical Research Partners
Good morning, Callie, Drew, Dan.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Morning.
Michael Dudas — Analyst, Vertical Research Partners
Dan, maybe you could share a little bit more of your thoughts. You mentioned in your prepared remarks about BEAD, the progress overall, and how it's looking relative to when we could see some of that conversion into maybe backlogging into revenues, maybe second half this year into fiscal year 2028.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
BEAD continues to make progress. This is something that we've had a strategy going back, oh, geez, I think it's over four years now. We've been partnering with the different states. We've had numerous conversations and tons of relationships across sub-grantees. We still believe that we will see revenue in Q2 of this year.
Really, and we've talked about this before and it's unchanged, think about that as a calendar 2027 to when it really starts to take hold and get moving. You are going to see the different programs and different sub-grantees start at different paces. Smaller programs can start sooner. That's why we believe we'll still see some revenue in Q2. Just a reminder, this is not included in our outlook. We really want people to think about BEAD for this year as potential uplift and then really starting to take shape in calendar 2027.
Michael Dudas — Analyst, Vertical Research Partners
Excellent. Thank you, Dan.
Liam Burke — Analyst, B. Riley Securities
Thank you. Dan, you mentioned in earlier comments that you're working more and more with your customers on longer term projects and multi-year planning. Does that change the composition of the business to multi-year projects versus MSA?
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Still mostly under MSAs or long-term agreements, Liam. I think if you look at our backlog, our next 12 months, we had a significant backlog increase. Our next 12 months went up. Really what you see again is we're adding firepower into the out years, which again, is a big positive for us. It allows us to plan, to be proactive, to continue to invest in the business and have really good foresight into what some of those builds are going to look like. It's a big positive in our space to be talking about work and actually contracting work that's three or four years out.
Liam Burke — Analyst, B. Riley Securities
Great. On the data center volumes, are you seeing more activity? I mean, you talked about Fiber-to-the-Home, but is there more activity over and above Fiber-to-the-Home on data center activity on the local loop?
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
If you're talking about inside-the-fence and all the other fiber that's connected to that kind of middle-mile, absolutely. Continues to grow. The conversations, and I feel like I say this every quarter, the conversations only continue to grow, and that really is true. Specifically on the data center side, again, the demand has not abated whatsoever. In fact, it's only increasing. You can see that in our outlook. You can see that in our results, and you can see that in the confidence in us raising for the year in that segment as well.
Liam Burke — Analyst, B. Riley Securities
Great. Thank you, Dan.
Manish Somaiya — Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald
Hi, I'm sorry. Can you hear me?
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
We got you, Manish.
Manish Somaiya — Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald
Okay, awesome.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Go ahead.
Manish Somaiya — Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald
I appreciate that. Dan, I just had two follow-ups for you. One is on the Building Systems backlog. Should we assume sort of high teens margin in line with the 27% margin expectations, or is that different based on mix or customers, et cetera?
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
Yes. That backlog is consistent. As you can see, their next 12 months and we believe this will continue to be the case. Their next 12 months and their total backlog are very close numerically to each other. Yeah, the margin profile is very similar to what we saw in Q1.
Manish Somaiya — Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald
Okay. Secondly, obviously, you talked about strong end markets, but I was wondering if there are any projects or work that you are essentially passing on. If so, what are the big reasons for it? Is it execution? Is it pricing? Is it not meeting your hurdles? If you can just kind of give us a sense as to what's happening on the ground.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
We're very pleased that we have strong partnerships with our customer set, and that's really what we're looking for, Manish. We want customers that understand the value of the skilled workforce. They understand the value of all the investments that Dycom has made to help deliver at a higher level for them.
There are still people out there that are looking for low bid numbers, and that's just not where we play, right? We want to play in those longer-term agreements where we can really have input into how they think about their builds, how they think about their programs, how we can support that, have really good dialogue that allows us both, quite frankly, to raise the bar together. That's where we play. Yes, there is work that we pass up.
What I would tell you, we feel really good, again, about what we've done from a skilled workforce. Really good about the growth that we saw in our headcount for the quarter and our continued growth for the year and the investments we're working there. We don't believe that we're leaving any of these important builds behind. At the same time, we are going to be selective on the pipeline.
Manish Somaiya — Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald
Okay. Appreciate that, Dan. Thank you.
Dan Peyovich — President and CEO, Dycom Industries
I want to thank everybody for joining us today, and I want to thank our 20,000 teammates for their fantastic execution this quarter. Look forward to seeing you all in about three months. Thanks so much.