David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Hey, Jonathan. Thanks for taking the questions and congrats on the continued progress here.
Christopher Stewart — CFO, Aeluma
Thanks, David.
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Thank you.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Jonathan, maybe first, in the last quarter, you talked about having around 20 engagements or so, and just wondering if you could give us an update on how those are progressing and if there's been any that's kind of fallen out of that funnel or if they've progressed and just kind of how you're seeing the funnel of activity today.
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Yeah, we've made continued progress with ongoing active engagements, especially in defense and aerospace and AI infrastructure. Defense and aerospace continues to be strong, and we've been advancing engagements in this vertical across the pipeline. Maybe some notable achievements include a recent sample delivery to a key customer, custom NRE work that we're doing in this area related to our imaging sensors. And then sort of in terms of maybe the growth of the pipeline, there are some newer customers in the AI infrastructure space that are evaluating, in particular, a high-speed transceiver component technology. We continue to look at our market verticals broadly, but same as last quarter, there's a particular focus on AI infrastructure, optical component technologies for AI infrastructure, defense and aerospace, and mobile and consumer electronics.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Perfect. Thank you. Maybe just you talked about your commercial readiness here and that you've by 5x increased the wafers to your fab partners. Can you maybe give us a little bit of an update on where you are and how quickly you can stand up the fabs? If you were to get an order today, how long would it take you before you could have volume kind of production out of your fab partners?
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Yeah, obviously dependent on specific volume and market vertical and the qualification requirements for that market vertical. As you mentioned, we are running more and more wafers through our fab partners now on the order of fivefold, meaning the number of wafers or number of wafer lots that we're running through our fab partners. The things that we're making at our external fab partners are primarily detectors for imaging sensors and high-speed components for transceiver applications intended to deploy both in defense and aerospace but also in AI infrastructure. With the capacity that we have in place now, we could support a reasonable volume, the types of volumes that you'd expect in defense and aerospace and also in sort of the optical component technologies. For a big consumer market like mobile or consumer electronics, we'd have to invest additionally in overall capacity.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Okay. Very good. You feel pretty confident that what you have lined up today, that you can support the probably nearer-term type of potential engagements in aerospace and defense and optical?
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
That's correct. There are several different use cases and formats, sort of low to medium-speed versions of some of our transceiver components, higher-speed versions of our transceiver components, but at least some of them are ready to deliver for evaluation and ready to qualify for a customer's requirements.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Okay. On that transceiver side, can you talk a little bit about exactly what your components are, where you're participating, and then is there a way to kind of size that market if you break it out? Maybe not even breaking it out, but just kind of thinking about the lower speed and mid and maybe even upper speed. Where do you play and what do you think that total market is for you?
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Thanks for asking this, David. One of the reasons I'm so excited about that market is that we're uncovering more and more use cases and architectures. We've engaged with some newer customers in that space as recently as the last month or two. What we're finding is that there's interest and a need for high-performance technology for higher-speed transceivers, for more traditional pluggable optics formats, just at higher data rates. Some of the component technologies today are very expensive. I still feel very strongly about our business model to deliver high-performance semiconductor chips, and I think the margins could be very good there, especially in this market. Again, one of the reasons I'm so excited about that market is that some of our prospective customers are interested in very high-performance, high-speed components for a few different use cases.
Some are interested in sort of lower speed but higher volume and arrays of devices. A little bit longer-term, co-packaged optics will eventually start to deploy and see adoption, and some of our high-power laser and quantum dot laser technology could make an impact there. I am very excited about sort of near-term prospects as well as future prospects a few years out.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Okay. Fantastic. Kind of going back to the prior question, but as you think about commercialization and how close you are maybe tipping over some of these engagements, can you kind of talk us through the timeline of when you think you might have something that you might be able to announce in terms of a design win or qualification or something that kind of gives us a trajectory on that revenue opportunity, even if we're looking out into 2027 or beyond?
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
I think what we've said in the previous quarter was that this fiscal year for us is all about positioning the company for the transition to commercialization. What that means is really solidifying the relationships with some of our prospective customers and maybe even some of the newer customers that have come to the table in the last couple of months. In terms of timing, our goal is to get to initial commercial product revenue sometime during this fiscal year. I don't think we're ready to say what the volumes would be, what the prices would be, what the total revenue would be. Our crystal will answer other questions related to revenue and guidance. Our current revenue is based on bookings and R&D contracts, but what we're doing now is really laying the foundation for commercial-scale production.
That means delivering more and more samples to our customers, solidifying relationships that might come in the form of NRE commitments from our customers, and at least some small volume orders, which might initially be for sampling purposes. The point is we're ensuring that we're going to be ready when customers are ready to adopt technology and place orders.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Certainly appreciate it. One last one, if I may. Chris, just on the revenue or, excuse me, on the balance sheet, do you feel pretty comfortable that that will get you to kind of a cash flow or a cash-neutral position from your current balance?
Christopher Stewart — CFO, Aeluma
Yeah. There's a lot of dependencies in terms of how the markets play out and what investments we need to make to support certain customers. What we've said is we believe we have plenty of cash on the balance sheet to get to that initial revenue. We'll see if that gets us all the way to cash flow positive or if we need to make some investments in capacity to support really rapid growth.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Thanks so much. Certainly appreciate it. Best of luck on the quarter, gentlemen. Thanks again.
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Thank you, David.
Richard Shannon — Analyst, Craig-Hallum
Thanks, Jonathan and Chris, for letting me ask a couple of questions here. Jonathan, let's start with one of your early comments here regarding photonics and specifically fast-tracking some work here. Maybe you can elaborate on what exactly this means and probably have a couple of follow-ups on this topic.
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
I think our sort of focus areas in optical interconnects for the near term are becoming more and more clear the more deeply we get engaged in customers and understand the requirements for that market. Fast-tracking means dedicating resources to that specific market vertical and a few key prospective customers. It also means ramping up the manufacturing readiness effort around the components that we're building for that market vertical and the hiring of people that have backgrounds in photonic component technologies for that specific market vertical. It's a bit of a focused effort. Because of the funding that we've raised, we're able to accelerate and hire people probably faster than initially anticipated. We're able to run more and more wafers at our foundries more than initially anticipated because of the additional resources we have.
Richard Shannon — Analyst, Craig-Hallum
Okay. Jonathan, can you elaborate on what kind of components we're talking about here? You've obviously talked about quantum dots in the past year, which obviously you didn't mean are a laser. What about, I think you were alluding to other components here, and I would assume detectors are in that, but any other components that you've also been working on that seem to be grabbing some attention?
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Yes. Generally, Aeluma's technologies are emitters and detectors, as you know, for sensing and communication applications. We work on both emitters and detectors, but we leverage this highly scalable platform to build those components. Quantum dot lasers, there's a lot of interest for that technology, especially for light engines for silicon photonics applications, and maybe for some externally modulated lasers in the future. I think that's a little bit more of a longer-term prospect. In the near term, high-performance emitters and detectors are in very high demand right now. If you recall, we've been working on high-speed detectors initially with the U.S. Navy to deploy novel high-speed transceivers for multimode fiber links on aerial platforms. A different flavor of that could be applied to a few different use cases in the data center market.
Without going into too many specific details of exactly what we're doing, there are more than one use case for that technology. Again, this is in part why I'm so excited because slightly different flavors in terms of what the targeted speed performance is, the targeted sensitivity, the targeted format, how many of these detectors, and are they arrays of detectors or banks of detectors or individual detectors. These are components that are traditionally somewhat expensive, especially when you get to the higher speeds. I think Aeluma can make a real impact here because of how we do our manufacturing on different substrate platforms that are a lot less expensive and could lead to not only the scale, the higher volume, but also lower cost in the future.
Richard Shannon — Analyst, Craig-Hallum
Okay. That's helpful, Jonathan. Thanks for that perspective. Maybe a couple more questions for me. In the press release, you talked about a goal of, I think, three to seven new development contracts for this year, and you did not give us any sort of number last quarter, at least that I recall. Maybe you can help us understand where you're expecting some of these to come from. Do you already have visibility into these opportunities with the government or with commercial partners here? Maybe kind of give us more detail there, please.
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Yes. Last quarter, we said three to seven new contracts. This quarter, we announced one signed contract with NASA. That is one of those three to seven. We do have a few pending bids out there that we expect to hear on in the next few months, and we are working on a few more proposals for a few strategic government contracts. At the same time, we are also in discussions with some of our commercial partners in one case where we are performing on some NRE and discussing sort of a next phase of that work. We are getting some requests from some of our commercial customers to scope out some NRE work. I think we will have more information to share as we go, but at least at this moment, we feel fairly comfortable with the three to seven number.
Maybe one other item I'll just add related to that topic. I think eventually what you're going to see is that we're going to start to transition to bigger contract opportunities, meaning because the transition to commercialization is really our goal, setting the foundation for the transition to commercialization in this fiscal year. That's our highest strategic priority. What that means is that we may not bid on some of the smaller government contracts that we have in the past. Even though those lead to nice prospective customer engagements and eventually more funding, it could be that we transition to bidding only on sort of larger-scale opportunities that feed into our commercial opportunities. If the commercial business picks up sooner than later, then obviously that's where our focus will be.
I think it's timely because if you think about the change in administration and budget cuts to some of the funding agencies and general slowdown with government funding and the recent government shutdown, it's a good time for us to focus on commercial because there might not be as much government contract funding. Maybe there will be some government funding really to support infrastructure and U.S.-based semiconductor manufacturing, which is what Aeluma is all about. Moving forward, I mean, our goal was to transition to commercialization to leverage what we did in terms of developing technology under these R&D contracts. I think that's sort of the shift that you'll see moving forward. Again, just to come back to your question, we've bid on contracts, a few commercial and several government-funded contracts across agencies, primarily DOD and some NASA and DOE.
Richard Shannon — Analyst, Craig-Hallum
Okay. That's helpful, Jonathan. You partially answered my next question, but I'm going to ask anyway just to make sure there's a more complete answer here. Just wondering about any impacts from the government shutdown. It sounds like there's been some here. It sounds like maybe this is more slowing down the initial RFQ/RFI process, but how about other contracts that are in process here? Are those being slowed down as well?
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
There's been, I mean, the government is shut down now, so it's hard to reach anyone. There has been some general slowness in terms of new programs getting reviewed, contracts getting executed. We have seen that. It hasn't had a major impact on us because, as you know, we don't heavily rely on that funding. It's been really great to win some of that funding because it's been non-dilutive funding. It's really kept our cash burn down, and it's led to a lot of other things, not only with government customers, but with commercial customers or partners that are supporting us on some of those programs. Generally speaking, yes, I mean, things have been slower than usual. It's taking longer to get contracts signed.
There are some programs out there that we had bid on that got delayed and in some cases canceled and reformatted into something else. Again, we were not relying on any of those bids in terms of capital needs or revenue guidance. Everything that we speak of in terms of guidance is based on bookings and some assumptions around the success in delivering on milestones.
Richard Shannon — Analyst, Craig-Hallum
Okay. That sounds great. Thanks for that detail. Last question. I'll jump out of line here. Just asking about the fab relationships here. The last quarter, you talked about engaging with four of them and two or more that might possibly enter the fold here. It sounds like that number might go up here in this past quarter if you could update on that. I guess I'm probably more interested in when a relationship becomes more formalized and contractual and one where you might even announce that partner. I know last quarter you said you're not going to announce them or even give that information out to potential partners until you actually have to, but wondering if that's in the cards anywhere in the near future. Thank you.
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
We have not formally added any new fab partners in the last couple of months, but have increased the level of runs, the number of runs that we are doing at several of those fabs. There are some new activities happening with some supply chain partners. Just to paint the entire picture, one type of partner is a fab that does what we refer to as sort of the front-end fab. We deliver our wafers and devices get fabricated. There are a few other steps in our process that happen other places. We have had to set up a supply chain. There is some back-end work, some integration work, wafer scale integration work. There is even some test. There are a number of partners that we have added to our supply chain. Some of them I might not characterize as a fab.
To answer your question, we may make announcements, but generally at this stage, given the volume of wafers that we're running on our fabs, we'll continue to do that. Maybe as things start to ramp up based on customer demand and we have statistical data that we're sharing with customers and we are ready to share information about qualified processes for a specific standard or for a specific customer, that might be a little bit more timely in terms of sharing a little bit more of our supply chain. I mean, generally speaking, photonic component manufacturers do not share a lot of detail on their supply chain. We're certainly going to try to find creative ways to share different proof points and forms of validation with our shareholders, but being mindful of confidentiality and trade secret information.
Richard Shannon — Analyst, Craig-Hallum
Okay. That makes sense. That is all from me, guys. Thank you.
Christopher Stewart — CFO, Aeluma
Great. Thanks, Richard.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Hey, gentlemen. Appreciate you taking the follow-up here. Just wanted to ask on the optical interconnects on the transceiver side, what is it that's driving your accelerated potential there? Is it an economics perspective? Is it the volume? Is it performance? What exactly, if you kind of look at while your customers are coming to you, what is driving that business there?
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
The first way I'd answer that question is that that market is really booming right now. There's a lot of demand, not only now, but expected in the coming years, as I'm sure you know, especially from some recent earnings calls from companies active in that market. Part of it is there's so much activity. Volumes are growing. As we're growing as a company, we're engaging more and more customers that in some cases are new to our technology and sharing with us slightly different use cases for our technology in some of those end markets. I mean, that's a market that we knew was expected to grow substantially.
One of the reasons, as I mentioned, that we're sort of dedicating lots of resources to that market in terms of customer interactions, business development, and even the fraction of wafers we're running through our fabs geared toward transceiver components. The reason that we're doing that is there's more than one use case, and there's high demand, and the component technologies that are needed are not inexpensive. They're expensive, and customers want more of them, and they'd like to see them at lower cost. That really points to manufacturing approaches like Aeluma's scaling and reducing cost. That is a very exciting market right now where I think, don't quote me on numbers, but I think some of the usual suppliers are seeing a significant increase in the number of chips deploying in that market from maybe a few million to double-digit millions. It's a very exciting time to see volumes grow for components that are very high-performance in nature in terms of speed, performance, and other specifications.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Great. When you engage with the customer in that supply chain or in the optical side, are you engaging at the customer level? Would it be with NVIDIA or the hyperscalers, or is it more on the module or OEM side? Just kind of where do you typically engage within that?
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Across all levels of that value chain. As you know, that industry has gone through lots of changes in the last decade or so. The hyperscalers are deeply involved in the supply chain that used to be different when Cisco's of the world would buy components. Component suppliers were not making so much margin. Component suppliers said, "Maybe we need to start making modules." The higher-level customers made investments in contract manufacturing and packaging and assembly. The hyperscalers are deeply involved in technology definition and supply chain. The good news for Aeluma is what that means for component suppliers is that chip suppliers can benefit from a fairly profitable business. That is one of the reasons that we're so excited about that market, very high-end chips that not so many companies in the world know how to make. Aeluma has an opportunity to scale, deliver the performance, and bring costs down.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Just one last question here, I promise. I was going to ask and kind of walk through. You talked earlier about the lower data rates, the mid, and the upper end. What is it that's kind of drawing you in? Can you maybe speak to the components where you're seeing the most pull-ins on the low end? We would suspect that your high performance would be at the very upper end, but we think it's interesting that you talked about the low end there. Maybe just some color around the low and mid, the range and why you're being pulled in there.
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
I mean, generally speaking, I've said that we're identifying more and more use cases in the data center market. If you think about AI clusters and short-reach and higher speed and how you get there, and I'm sure you know what companies are doing in some cases, developing new technologies for short-reach, but very high aggregate data rates. Outside of short-reach for compute clusters like that, hyperscalers need more and more optics for rack-to-rack. Generally, switch ASICs are increasing. There's been really nice announcements from Broadcom and others, 100 terabit switches. Sort of across the board, there's more and more demand for high-performance transceiver components, meaning higher volumes coming, whether it's short-reach, a few meters out to 100 meters, or sort of in the middle up to a few kilometers, and maybe even longer.
I would say most of the use cases where we're seeing interest in our technology are mostly around sort of the short and mid-reach, a few meters out to maybe 100 meters, and from there to maybe a couple of kilometers. Without going into too much detail, formats of transceivers, whether it's pluggables or efforts being made to put optics on boards, that's what we see really growing in the near term. Co-packaged optics is something many companies and fabs are investing in, and I think that's coming. That'll slowly get adopted. We have technology that's applicable there as well. Like the quantum dot lasers, for example, are a good fit, especially in the co-packaged optics world.
I'm just very enthusiastic about that end market because there's near-term demand, near-term growth, and expected long-term growth, especially as things like co-packaged optics start to get adopted over the next few years.
David Williams — Analyst, Benchmark
Thanks again. Certainly appreciate it.
Christopher Stewart — CFO, Aeluma
Thanks, David.
Jonathan Klamkin — Founder and CEO, Aeluma
Thank you. We look forward to connecting at investor conferences and other meetings in the future. Thank you for joining, and have a great day.