Matt Bouley — Analyst, Barclays
Morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the questions. I'll start off with a question on the guide, picking off there where Scott C finished. You mentioned the cadence of revenues. My question's on the cadence of EBITDA. I think I heard you say that raws were a tailwind, and they're going to become a headwind moving forward. Could price cost actually become sort of temporarily negative as a result and kind of thinking about how that occurs and the timing of when price and costs would match? Is there any kind of resulting cadence to the EBITDA margin specifically that you can speak to? Thanks.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Hey, Matt, Scott C. Yeah, absolutely, you should think about it that way. Normally, based on seasonality, product mix, our Q2 is normally 300 basis points EBITDA margin-wise, below Q1 on a sequential basis. I would expect this year to be worse than that. That is exactly the right way to think about it. If you look at the EBITDA bridge that we had in the first quarter on a year-over-year basis, again, as we mentioned, you had favorability in that price cost bar from both pricing and that type of roll of our inventory cost.
We still had favorable resin costs that we experienced on a year-over-year basis in the first quarter. That will flip on us as we go into Q2. We're still getting the pricing, and we'll still see that sequential. It's just going to be the cost side of the house. It's like we said, that's the resin coming at us in Q2 that we didn't have in Q1, but we also have those transportation costs that were very much a headwind for us here in the first quarter, and they'll remain that way as we go through the rest of the year.
Matt Bouley — Analyst, Barclays
Okay, perfect. No, that colors exactly what I was looking for, so thank you for that. Secondly, NDS, you said $95 million of sales. I think I heard you say that maybe organically they were up year-over-year. Question is, what does June quarter seasonality typically look like for them? Because 95 would seem like it annualizes to a large number, but maybe this is typical of them. Obviously, what I'm getting at is, you mentioned the organic growth. Are you seeing kind of early wins on cross-selling or revenue synergies? Just more broadly, how is that initial integration going? Thank you.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Matt, this is Scott B. Their highest quarter is the quarter we just completed. We are still learning their seasonality, but we're obviously working with that team to kind of see what the patterns are. You can't just annualize that quarter, although it was good quarter for them. Their performance has been quite good. We are seeing, I'd say, a lot of opportunities that we're working on the cross-selling.
I don't think we're kind of generating tremendous amounts of revenue day in and day out on that, but we're definitely got them in sight and have people on the ground working those. We have also had very good work with them on cost, cash flow, just kind of all the different things that you know well about our team here that we're working, and they're right in there with us. Had a very solid two days. They were here over the board meeting the last couple of days, a very solid two days with them on all these topics. I would say not yet, but their performance is giving us every indication that those future activities, like cross-selling, are going to be winners for us.
Mike Halloran — Analyst, Baird
Hey, good morning, everyone.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Morning.
Mike Halloran — Analyst, Baird
Why don't we start off where you left off there on the NDS piece. Maybe just kind of cadence how you're thinking about what the steps look like in the short term on any kind of facility work or restructuring work or internal improvement work that you're doing, both kind of this year and then into next year, and how those are going to start cadencing out for you.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
This is Scott B. Mike, there are, I would say a couple of small facility types of things that are pretty much complete, that are certainly additive to our synergy and integration activities right now. Some of that will be showing up in their profit statement going forward. The bigger one doesn't occur. It's more of a next year program that we will see the effects of that. That's a much bigger one that we're working on.
I think right behind that from a facilities, kind of CapEx spending, we kind of get facility type stuff out of the way between now and the end of this calendar year. Once we get those behind us, we start to work on some automation things, which would be kind of conversion costs related. We have a very good program defined with them on working capital and cash. Those are really some big priorities with us right now, Mike, as well as setting up the cross-selling.
To get that cross-selling going, you got to establish some. Some back-office practices, you got to get people trained up, you got to get in front of customers. That has all kind of occurred, and now we're doing some trial geographies at the beginning of this month. I'd say our first six months with them, starting in February, have been pretty busy. Like I told them, "You're off to a great start, and let's keep going.
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah, Mike, I think they've benefited from kind of coming under the ADS umbrella and having more resources and some expertise at their disposal. We've been able to maybe help them operate the business more effectively and efficiently than maybe it was in the past.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
We clearly look at things differently.
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah
than the prior.
Yeah.
Mike Halloran — Analyst, Baird
Yeah. No, that makes sense. Second question, I think Scott C referenced non-res maybe tracking a little better than you thought. Maybe just talk about some of the reasons why what you're seeing that support that regional subcategory, anything that you would highlight.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
I would start with the Allied Products. Our Allied Products, the storage products, which I kind of went a lot into there in the range of solutions that we have in our storage products today, are really kind of just market leading by far. I think we're winning new business in that category. Our capture products, still again, that Nyloplast product line, that Duraslot product line can sell well.
We haven't even gotten to the really good cross-selling yet with the NDS products there. Our fittings had a good month, I mean, a good quarter. That was pulled along with some of the buy-ahead in the pipe strength. Our water quality products, we continue to get new approvals and new jurisdictions. I think we've said many times in the past that the Allied Products very vectored to the non-res segment.
The strength of our portfolio there, the programs that we're running in that, I think are just really winning. Data centers, warehouses, institution work, that all continues to go kind of well. It is not broad-based geographically. It is certain geographies that are doing well. Our quoting activity is good in this area, the non-residential area. I think Mike, you add any color to that?
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
No, I think you hit it. I think when we look through kind of the sub-projects under non-residential, we saw pretty steady growth across just general purpose commercial. Warehouses have continued to kind of improve on a year-over-year basis.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
The data centers, institutional construction is usually pretty steady, and that's been good. Again, the programs, we have a very high focus with our sales force of selling the package and increasing what we call Allied product attachment. I think we're seeing better performance there. Like Scott said, geographically, it's a little kind of all over the place. When you think about kind of the West has some strength in certain states. Texas was good this quarter. The Northeast was pretty solid in some states. The Midwest had some positive ones. It's just a couple of places like California, Florida have been a little soft, right, in a year-over-year basis. We definitely think we're outperforming the markets and doing well, and that's probably goal number one.
John Lovallo — Analyst, UBS
Morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions as well. I think in the past, you've talked about having 30 days of raw mats inventory, about 60 days of finished goods. With that in mind, resin costs certainly spiked earlier in the year, but they have come back in quite a bit over the past few months. I think you've talked about input costs remaining elevated through the remainder of the year. I guess, I'm curious as to when you think the lower or the reduced input cost will start flowing through. Is that more of a next year phenomena, or could that hit later in this fiscal year?
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Hey, John. Scott C here. You're correct. I think the peak on the resin side is definitely going to be Q2, Q3, based on what we know today, and the procurement what we see on the balance sheet. Really good visibility there. It's still going to be elevated in Q4, but not at the level that we expect in Q2 and Q3. That's number one. Transportation will be the next part of that conversation.
Again, those rates and everything else we're seeing are going to be there. Our internal fleet helps us hedge that, and 70%, 75%+ is done internally on our fleet, which is a great mitigation factor against that external CC and what we see going on there. That's still going to remain elevated. It was elevated in the first quarter. As you can see in our EBITDA bridge, it's going to be that way through the rest of the year.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
I want to add, this is Scott Barbour. John, one thing to that is, you're correct, it spiked high, kind of came off a bit, but it is still significantly over where it was a year ago to procure that material. I just don't want to lose sight of that it's been very dynamic, but it's still above the prior year materials cost. It's still above the prior year on a transportation cost.
John Lovallo — Analyst, UBS
Got you. Okay. In terms of the $25 million-$30 million of sales that were pulled forward from the second quarter into the first quarter, how should we think about the split between stormwater and wastewater? Were there any end markets in particular where this was most pronounced?
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
With that, Scott.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
I would say primarily stormwater. Absolutely, there was a little bit in wastewater as well, but we saw it across the board. The price increases, there were multiple in certain cases. We took it across the board, every business unit, both segments. Again, you'd see a little bit of that in each one of those. On a dollar basis, primarily you'd see the largest piece of that being in stormwater.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
It's proportional.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
From an end market, it's probably more non-residential driven than residential or infrastructure.
Bryan Blair — Analyst, Oppenheimer
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. We know that your team has had to be pretty aggressive with price actions. I think you'd framed the last quarter then. Most of it would hit in Q2. To level set, I was wondering if you would be willing to disclose Q1 price and what you're contemplating for Q2 and back half price realization.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
It's kind of the sequential pattern of pricing.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah. What I'd say is, absolutely we got the pricing into the market fast. We always talk about getting that into the market 30 to 45 days before the resin hits us, so success there. As we look at Q2 and we progress through the year, obviously we're going to match those inflationary cost pressures on a dollar for dollar basis. What you'll see in Q2 is largely that pricing kind of remain at that level. As we go through the second half of the year, then we'll adjust accordingly based on what the inflationary cost pressures we have forecasted and what we're seeing. Again, Q2, we'll see the pricing that we got into the market in the first quarter continuing.
Bryan Blair — Analyst, Oppenheimer
Okay, understood. I believe you mentioned that advanced treatment continued to grow double digits in the quarter. One, am I correct? Did I hear that correctly? What kind of growth does your team anticipate from advanced treatment going forward? Obviously, you have pretty healthy comps that you face there. I suppose the same question on engineered systems that's smaller now, but seems like a pretty compelling opportunity for your team, at least through more of like a medium-term lens. Just curious how impactful that may be to FY 2027.
Craig Taylor — President of Infiltrator, ADS
Morning, Bryan. This is Craig. Yeah, advanced treatment continues to be strong on the residential side for us. With the synergies between Orenco and Infiltrator, that's been an opportunity for us on the advanced treatment side. When it comes to Infiltrator, we launched a new product, which was our Edge product in the residential market, which was very healthy throughout the first quarter with that launch. That continues to be strong for us in addressing the needs out in the market. As we look forward, the engineered systems is an opportunity for us. As we look at that and serving the market as it moves forward, especially under the Orenco business, we combine that with the Infiltrator business to grow that segment. It's a small segment, but a segment that we're looking to grow as we move forward.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Investing in.
Craig Taylor — President of Infiltrator, ADS
Investing in.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Investing in from both an organization.
Craig Taylor — President of Infiltrator, ADS
Yep
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Both Louisiana and in Oregon.
Craig Taylor — President of Infiltrator, ADS
We like that market.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
You're right, Bryan, we like that market a lot.
Jeff Hammond — Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc
Hey. Good morning, guys.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Morning.
Jeff Hammond — Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc
Just on the price, I think you said price is going to be similar 2Q versus 1Q. I'm just trying to understand better why you had to pull ahead if pricing was kind of already in. I was under the impression price would step up, maybe just clarify.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Jeff, why don't you ask again? What's the question?
Jeff Hammond — Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc
Well, you're saying the pricing isn't going to step up in 2Q, I'm just wondering why the early buy or pre-buy.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
It's because we had good visibility to what's coming at us. Again, we see the resin on our balance sheet. We also know what we're procuring at in April, May, and June. We had, in some cases, multiple price increases that went out. Again, we try to get in front of it. Again, we succeeded and got that in front of us. We've got the pricing in place and anticipating of the costs that are coming at us. Those costs, again, based on our FIFO rule and how they come out of the balance sheet, are going to hit us. It's going to be Q2, Q3, as well as Q4, but the peak of it, like we just talked about, will be Q2 and Q3. Again, the pricing's in place. We've got it in place in advance.
Are we going to go out with new price increases? No, but in certain geographies, products, if we need to, absolutely we will, and we're also managing the transportation costs. The takeaway is, we got in front of it Right? That's what we try to do. Then basically now we're going to continue it as we go through the first half of the year. In Q2, what's going to be different is we've got a lot more resin cost coming at us than we did in the first quarter. That's hence the margin conversation, right?
We typically have, based on product mix and seasonality, a 300 basis-point degradation in sequential margins between Q1 and Q2. It'll be a little bit worse than that this year based on the magnitude of those resin costs coming at us. Again, transportation costs will stay elevated at the rate they are. Again, we have a good forecasting S&OP process. We've got the pricing in place to offset those costs on a dollar for dollar basis. We just happen to get them into the market and start getting them earlier than the cost hit us.
Jeff Hammond — Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc
Okay, that's helpful. I'm trying to better understand maybe the outgrowth. You gave the growth rates like non-res, res, infrastructure, ag. I think that includes NDS and includes the pull-forward. Is there a way to think about how those markets grew for you, ex maybe the pull-forward and ex NDS?
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
I think that's the walk.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah. What we talked about, Jeff, was 21% at the total consolidated level, revenue up year-over-year. We talked about organically excluding NDS being up 9%. Then we talked about if you take the $25 million-$30 million of pull ahead out, that 9% organic would have been more like mid-single digits up. To give it to you by end market, I think Scott and Mike answered the question earlier, where a lot of that pull ahead we saw was in the non-res side of the house. That's the way I would look at it.
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
I think it's proportional.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah. With a little bit in the resi side.
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
The wastewater.
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
The wastewater, I think it's proportion.
Trey Grooms — Analyst, Stephens
Hey, good morning everybody, thanks for taking my question. Kind of just as a follow-on to the last one there, as you guys were commenting, the outperformance or market outperformance. Sounds like a lot of that's non-res related. As we look in the back half and you look at the, I don't know if you want to call it backlog of activity out there on non-res, is it still your thought that you should continue to outpace at a similar kind of rate as what we saw in the first quarter or anything to call out there?
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah, Trey. Hey, Mike Higgins. I think we'll still continue to outperform the market, to say we're going to continue to be up 18%, 19% is a little bit of a stretch. I think we'll continue to see growth. Maybe it's closer to what we said, mid-single digit.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
More like last year.
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah, more like last year. That's what we expect for the year to unfold. Yeah, we don't really see any kind of significant weakening in demand from where we are today. There's a little bit of benefit of the pull ahead. You got some pricing that's come through there. That's goosed that number a little bit. We did see mid-single digit volume growth in the non-residential led market. We would expect that to hold in there, right?
Trey Grooms — Analyst, Stephens
Yep. That was the number I was referring to is the mid-single digit stripping out all the other. That makes sense. Understanding we're in an inflationary environment, free cash flow should still be good this year. CapEx still looks like it's going to be down year-over-year, despite some of these internal growth projects that you have. You've got NDS integration underway. You bought back a pretty good slug of stock in the quarter. How are you balancing buyback with any potential M&A in this environment? As you're integrating the large NDS acquisition, we keep that in mind. Just curious, update on your appetite for M&A versus buyback here, given the cash flow backdrop.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
It was a big slug of stock we bought back. There was severe dislocation during the quarter and volatility during the quarter. As you guys all know, we buy against a grid. We'll continue to work that same strategy. We continue to look at opportunities. We're one and a half time levered. Even though we bought back all that stock, we spent a fair amount of capital. I think it was $57 million worth of capital. We'll spend all that capital this year on Craig's business, completing the building seven expansion, doing a couple of NDS things. We've got Cordele to complete, which is largely complete. We feel like we have the capacity to continue to look at things, and we'll do that. I wouldn't say we're standing on the sidelines, Trey. How's that?
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah, what I'd add to Scott's point, like we talked about at Investor Day. Highest risk-adjusted return opportunities. Again, we continue to look organically to all the items that Scott mentioned as kind of our highest return, lowest risk, use of capital. Acquisitions followed close therein. It's great we've got a very robust process and always looking at the funnel. It also comes down to some actionability as well within there.
We'll always look at strategic first and then financial has to obviously be there for us to move forward. We're one and a half times levered. Our target is two times leverage, right? We've got plenty of firepower, capability, capacity, and flexibility. And again, when it makes sense and we have dislocation and we're sub two times levered, that excess cash, if there's nothing actionable within the strategic acquisition funnel, then absolutely we'll buy back shares like we did in the first quarter.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
I mean, it's a big number, almost $250 million, including the dividend return to shareholders in the first quarter.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah. Nine and a half shares were repurchased.
Jeff Reive — Analyst, RBC Capital Markets
Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Just with the $25 million to $30 million pre-buy headwind baked into the second quarter and peak material inflation in the quarter too, is there a scenario where the second quarter margins compress below 30%, or do you think you have enough offsets in place to hold that line?
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah, like we said earlier, definitely the way I like talking about it is our sequential margin performance, again, based on product mix seasonality. Typically, we see around a 300 basis points degradation in our margins between Q2 and Q1 sequentially. Based on the resin that we expect to come at us, it'll be more exacerbated or a greater spread sequentially than 300 basis points. That is the way to look at it.
Jeff Reive — Analyst, RBC Capital Markets
Okay. Got it. Now that your new recycling facility in Georgia is operational, can you give us a sense of maybe throughput, how it's tracking relative to capacity, how quickly it's contributing to your recycled resin mix? Is the facility ramping fast enough to provide that meaningful offset to inflation next quarter, or is that more of a second half story?
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
The answer to your last kind of question is yes. It is contributing to mitigation of material costs already. It is ramping up now, we're not at full production. That'll take several months to do. I was down there a couple of weeks ago. We have nice supply coming in there. All the equipment is up and running. The blending is up and running. We're filling silos. We're waiting for our railcar spur to be approved and activated.
It's all kind of installed. Team is fired up as always down there, the bottom line is that it meaningfully will contribute to our material cost mitigation strategies this year. It will not be at full capacity yet this fiscal year, will reach full capacity next year. I can tell you, no one's going to work harder to get there faster than Bobby and his team down there.
We're really proud of what they're doing.
Collin Verron — Analyst, Deutsche Bank
Good morning, thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to follow up on the recycling. I know you called out that you were already increasing your recycled content in February. I guess, can you get back to sort of 50% recycled content in fiscal year 2027? I know it was pretty low last year. Are there any limitations within the year that might keep you below that? Then longer term, I guess, is there upside to sort of the 50% recycled content range?
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Scott Barbour here. Yes. On high-density polyethylene, we are pivoting to get to 50% recycled again, or as fast as we can go. There's an upper limit on what we can do because some of our products require virgin, particularly for public jobs. Yes, we've pivoted fast. That team has done a great job of procuring material, putting it through our other two Clarion and Pandora facilities that were up and running. Our production was up in that in the quarter. Our usage was up in the quarter. Cordele contributed a little bit, will continue to contribute more and more. What is the top of that number? I really don't want to go down that path, there are some limitations by regulatory limitations for certain markets and applications in some states, not all states.
We continue to work that, and that is driven by your ability to come up with the right blends from an engineering standpoint. We showed you the capabilities we have to do that on Investor Day through our engineering and technology center. Really, those first two labs that you toured, the analytics lab and then the blending lab there. It is how much source of supply can you find on that. We actually have capabilities and nicely demonstrated in both of those. How can you ramp those facilities like a Cordele? Cordele will have a lot more capacity than Pandora and Clarion. How does that roll out the demonstrated technologies and capabilities we see at Cordele? How do you back flush that into these other facilities?
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
That's kind of the long-range thing, material science and finding sources of supply, having the right capacity, that's the formula.
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah. Collin, Mike Higgins. Just for context on timing, right? It took us 10 years to get to 50%. Right? Again, we've talked about this a lot. When you incorporate recycled materials, you need to maintain the same quality and performance you get with virgin materials. These are in critical applications. They're going under pavement. They need to perform and maybe to add to what Scott's saying is, we will work things on the high-density polyethylene side, also our two fastest growing products are the HP pipe and StormTech chambers, which are virgin polypropylene. Very hard at work at finding ways to incorporate recycled materials or other type of additives to reduce that virgin content there. Again, first and foremost, maintaining the same quality and performance.
Collin Verron — Analyst, Deutsche Bank
That's really helpful, color. I guess just on the transportation inflation, any color as to how much of the inflation you're expecting is from diesel prices versus inflation and maybe third party freight rates? Can you benefit from a pivot back towards ADS owned freight? Any sense of how much of a help that could be, would be helpful.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Sure. I think on the logistics side of the house, again, we have an economic radius that it makes total economic sense to use our fleet. Anything that's going out past that economic radius, common carrier can be more efficient and effective to use. Diesel absolutely is part of our cost that we need to manage, but the internal fleet cost is well below what we see on the common carrier side, especially when we're dealing within that economic radius, which is the predominant percentage of what we do. Again, we manage the diesel. We do have a diesel hedging program, so we do hedge our diesel exposure. We also hedge it via using our internal fleet because of the lower cost structure that we have there versus the CC side of the house.
Like I said, we try to target something greater than 70%, 75% of our shipments going out on the internal fleet. Those are all kind of the mitigations that we'll continue to do. That route planning and the technology that the guys have there and how we're getting better at how we do our route planning, how we do our loading, as well. A lot of investment we've had in there to improve our customer service, but as well as to lower our cost to serve, in those markets when it deals, again, with loads and route planning. A lot of opportunity there, and they're already starting to get it.
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
The inflationary effects that we've had this year are kind of masking a lot of really good work we've done there to become more efficient in both our fleet and our mode selections.
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah.
James Ko — Analyst, Jefferies
Good morning. Thanks for taking questions here. I wanted to touch on the price cost dynamic here a little bit again. What specific resin price assumption are you using in your full year guidance? Has that assumption changed relative to what you embedded when you initially set the 2027 guidance back in May? What could present upside versus downside here?
Scott Cottrill — CFO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Yeah, we're constantly monitoring that, and there's other mitigation as well as to the procured cost of it. Scott hit on it earlier. It's using recycled and everything else that we're doing there. Yeah. What we're seeing coming at us is kind of what we thought was going to be the higher for longer for the entire year on a procured basis. Pretty much what we've talked to is the fact that, yes, we're going to have the peak of that resin that we procured pretty much in April, May, and June, coming through at us here in the next couple quarters.
We expected that higher rate that we were procuring at to stay there through the remainder of the year, but it has come off. That is reflected in how we look at our guidance, the performance in the first quarter, and also how we look at our pricing and our return model. Very dynamic, very fluid, but we have a very robust and mature model that we use to project that and stay in front of it.
James Ko — Analyst, Jefferies
Got it. Thanks for that. I guess touching on the pricing here a little bit, how much of your current pricing is locked in through formal contracts or purchase orders versus negotiated kind of on spot? I'm just trying to understand the risk of price give back if cost normalize. Yeah. Any color here would be helpful.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
Our pricing is largely project-based pricing, so you could have between quote to order something like 60-90 days lead time, and our quotes are good for 30 days. That's the way I would think about it. It's project-based pricing, so we have a lot of flexibility, a lot of ability to adjust or toggle as we
Mike Higgins — VP of Corporate Strategy and Investor Relations Representative, Advanced Drainage Systems
Go ahead, Craig.
This is Craig. For our business, that's something that's locked in. It's what we sell to our distributors, that pricing holds on that.
List price
Craig Taylor — President of Infiltrator, ADS
set up list price.
Scott Barbour — President and CEO, Advanced Drainage Systems
All right. Thank you very much, everyone. Lots of good questions today. We anticipated a lot of price cost questions today, so thanks for those. I'm pleased with the quarter. It's going to be dynamic as we go through this first half and then the second half. I think you guys hit on all of the different moving pieces that we're working on between the resins and the cost mitigations to recycle. The transportation costs, which are a significant rise. How we're reacting to that across the board, with all of our product lines in the market. Like I said at the beginning, the fundamentals are strong. We like where we're at so far in the year, and we'll continue to work towards that guidance. Thank you.