Chris Snyder — Executive Director, Morgan Stanley
Thank you. I wanted to ask about AIS top-line growth. I think we appreciate that the category grows faster than core lighting, but it also doesn't seem like a teens growth category that you guys have been delivering for a long time now. I guess, can you just talk about, is that just all innovation and share gain at the company level, or is the company starting to break into some higher growth verticals? I specifically wanted to touch on data center, which you guys called out in the prepared remarks, and is not a vertical that we've ever really thought about associated with the company before. Thank you.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Yeah. Good morning, Chris. Let's focus on AIS first. Distech and QSC really kind of rhyme with each other. We wanted to talk about Distech this quarter, and I will emphasize kind of Distech performance relative to your question. Over the five years I've been here, we've been very purposeful about adding products and innovation to Distech that allows it to compete and compete effectively, first against the traditional big four competitors, and then second, to enter into adjacencies which will grow their TAM and expand the company as a result. You're really seeing all of those things come together in a very constructive way. First, we are in the core business, the Eclypse controllers. We are out innovating the competition, and we are taking share.
For example, in Atlanta, in the Hartsfield Airport, for the first time in over 20 years, Distech was a new operating platform, which was placed in terminal D category. An example of where we're displacing incumbents. Second, we obviously announced the introduction of the PLC controller. Now we have a unique combination of digital and PLC controllers, which positions us well for several of the hyperscalers, and that will be a growing business over time for us. Third, we've entered adjacencies like refrigeration, which we talked about with the KE2 Therm acquisition a couple of years ago. Also with the addition of more OEM exposure to other manufacturers in the industry.
Taken together, we've taken the growth rate of the industry. We've expanded dramatically beyond that through share gain and innovation, and third, availed ourselves of additional opportunities in adjacent markets and adjacent end markets. When you put that all together, you get the opportunity for us to continue to grow at these rates as we look forward over the next several years.
Chris Snyder — Executive Director, Morgan Stanley
Thank you. I really appreciate that. If I could just follow up on capital deployment. You guys bought back a good amount of stock in the quarter. I think still have more than $400 million of cash on the balance sheet. Obviously more free cash generation to come. Can you talk about how you think about capital deployment? I know in the past there's been, I guess you've talked about opportunities to kind of just further build out this AIS platform. Is there anything within that that you think would be a great fit? Also just buyback. You've kind of demonstrated over the last however many years that you guys are committed to buybacks when it's opportunistic.
Karen Holcom — SVP and CFO, Acuity
Chris, I'll start, then I'll pass it over to Neil to talk more about the opportunities for acquisitions. Our capital allocation framework has not changed. We continue to invest in the business for growth. We've increased our dividend this year, and we will evaluate acquisition opportunities. Also we repurchase shares. The repurchasing shares, we've demonstrated that we're super disciplined and opportunistic in our approach. I'd highlight this quarter specifically, we purchased nearly 500,000 shares at an average price of $281 a share. We feel really good about our program, and it's working to create permanent value for our shareholders, and we'll continue to be opportunistic when the opportunity presents itself.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
To build on Karen's comments, one of the other things that we've highlighted about our capital availability and compounding generation of cash is that it empowers us to do all of the above. We can invest in our current businesses for growth, we can invest in acquisitions, we can increase our dividend, and we can repurchase shares, which we've demonstrated we do very effectively. As we look forward on the acquisition front, we are enthusiastic about the opportunities that are ahead of us in AIS. There are multiple areas that we have identified that are attractive for us to continue to add to the portfolio. We can expand Distech, we can expand QSC and their footprint, and we can add additional things. I balance that by saying our view on acquisitions is really quality and not quantity.
We're focused on ensuring that we buy the right assets. I'll emphasize the QSC acquisition as an example. We waited and did our work so that we knew we would buy the right asset, and we were confident that when that asset and that team were part of Acuity, they would be able to do things that they previously had not been able to achieve. You're seeing that in their results. You see that in a market perspective at a trade show like InfoComm, where they're celebrated as the clear differentiated leader, and on an earnings call where you can see their performance has dramatically improved. In summary, we believe from a capital allocation perspective, we have the ability to do all of the above, to grow our current businesses, to acquire businesses, to pay our dividend, and to repurchase stock.
We're looking forward to additional acquisitions, which will build out AIS as our first priority.
Chris Snyder — Executive Director, Morgan Stanley
Thank you both. Really appreciate all the color.
Tim Wojs — Analyst, Baird
Hey, everybody. Nice job. Maybe just, Neil, just kind of referring back to some of your prepared comments on just kind of order trends. I know there's been some elongation in the marketplace around quoting activity and release activity. Are you hearing from your agents that that gap is kind of closing, and is there any particular catalyst for that? Is it just, hey, there's a little less volatility, and we're comfortable kind of releasing some of these orders?
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Yes, Tim. I would say, the order rate was softest in kind of the winter months, October through January. Our conversion rates were longer during those periods than they had been in the past. And those conversion rates are highly consistent over a long period of time. We believed it to be an anomaly, and you can see it, and you've heard it in your checks through, as the releases are extending. We're starting to see that firm up, as I indicated in the prepared remarks. I think firming is probably the best definition. We're seeing more normal project activity and more normal conversion rates on the lighting side. I also believe that we're performing better than the competition. Taken together, I think that gets us to where we are from a firming perspective.
As Karen mentioned in her remarks, remember last year at this time was the tariff 1.0. I don't know if it's 1.0, but April tariff, which obviously kicked up a lot of activity, which, we think we saw the impact all the way through. We also haven't really spoken about the impact of the government shutdown, but we think that clogged up the works during that period also a little bit. I think we're starting to see some clearing of that activity as well.
Tim Wojs — Analyst, Baird
Okay. That's really encouraging. Then I kind of have a two-part question on margins. I guess the first part is there anything on the inflation side that you guys are particularly focused on right now, whether it's certain kind of electrical components or just kind of general areas of inflation? Then the second is, as we kind of think over the next couple of years, do you feel like we're at a point in the business where we could start seeing a little bit more SG&A leverage on an annualized basis, or is that something that you would think continues to grow as a percentage of sales? Thanks.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
I'll break my answer into basically three parts, and Karen, weigh in if I leave anything out here. First on general inflation, yes, we're seeing it across the complex, I would say. There is some materials inflation that we're seeing, metals, et cetera, as one example. We're seeing inflation in the SG&A lines. I'll get to SG&A last to your question, but we're seeing inflation through those. Medical costs are up 12% going forward for us, for example. That's kind of piece one. Piece two is what I would say are the continuing examples of supply shocks. Memory, we're treating as we have tariffs and other supply shocks along the way. We're focused first on ensuring access and availability. Second, covering any margin dilution with dollars. Then third, restarting architectural and productivity improvements to continue our margin expansion.
We'll deal with that over the course of the next year or so, the memory is largely an AIS impact as opposed to an ABL impact. Finally on SG&A, the vast majority of the increase in our SG&A expenses have been investments in technology. That's investments in our ability to over the course of the last two years, for example, to use AI. We're using that in driving our operations. It's investments, we were just in Mexico this week with our Board of Directors in our digital focus factories and digitizing our supply chain, things like that. Largely investments that are helping to drive the margin expansion we see in the gross margin. Our lighting business will continue to outgrow the market, and the market will grow. That does, we will see significant operating leverage on the SG&A line.
At the same time, our AIS business continues to demonstrate that inside of their own kind of expenses, they are leveraging operating expenses as they continue to grow at a higher rate. You take those two together, they will continue to be a larger portion of the company, and we will see leverage as a result of them being a larger portion of the total.
Tim Wojs — Analyst, Baird
Awesome. Thanks, guys.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Thanks, Tim.
Ryan Merkel — Analyst, William Blair
Hey, everyone. Good morning. Thanks for the question. Wanted to follow up on the orders comment, things firming there. Neil, should we think about ABL for 4Q showing normal seasonality, or could it be above normal seasonality? I'm curious if there's any color on end markets, any specific end markets where the order trends might be firming up.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Karen, why don't you take the sequential, then I'll talk about the categories.
Karen Holcom — SVP and CFO, Acuity
Yeah, Ryan, as you know, there is nothing perfect about the sequential trends. It's not perfectly going to align with history, but here's what I would say. Q3 was a little bit of an outperformance on our sequential trends. We will see an increase from Q3 to Q4 as we normally do. It may not be as steep as what the Q3 increase was, but we should see continued growth from Q3 to Q4. We do feel like, based on the current order rates, that things are firming, as Neil mentioned, and that should set us up well for Q4.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
In terms of end markets, first starting with our disaggregated revenue. Karen called out a two-year stack for the C&I plus direct network. As I've said on this call in prior quarters, I tend to look at those together because it normalizes back and forth between those two. On a two-year basis, that's up 4%. That normalizes for tariffs and it normalizes for accounts moving back and forth between the two of them. I think it's a pretty good way to look at that business. That highlights that there, over that two-year period, would have been weakness in corporate accounts, retail, and OEM for us. As we looked into the fourth quarter, and you can see through the performance of the third quarter, corporate accounts is performing pretty well this year.
As we've said consistently, that's a very good piece of business that we are the clear leaders in, but people don't refresh their buildings at the same time or on a continuous basis. We expect that to be a strong part of the business for us in the fourth quarter and beyond first. On end markets, we talked about data centers in the AIS conversation. We have strong lighting performance in data centers as well. It's just a smaller vertical because there are less lights as a content percentage of dollars. That's an example of where we're performing really well. The other one I'd call out, which we've talked about, is our entry into refuel. We are really continuing to grind out our advancement in that business. We've won many of the largest accounts.
Their performance with us will only increase over time, and we have the stamina to continue to perform in that business. I'm really pleased with the way our team has entered that market, has built a product presence and a go-to-market presence, and we've got great relationships with that, and we'll continue to grind forward. Finally, when you look at the end markets in total, it's worth repeating that on the Acuity Brands Lighting side, we have the ability to flex into where the opportunities are because we have generally pretty good market coverage. When one market is challenging, say office, another is expanding, say industrial, which would include the data center performance. Net-net, I think firming is the right determination, and it will demonstrate how much we outperform the rest of the lighting industry.
Ryan Merkel — Analyst, William Blair
All right. Great. That was awesome color. Thanks. My second question is just on gross margins longer term. Neil, you've been able to expand gross margins in ABL despite weak volumes for a while now. I guess my question is, can you continue to expand there if volumes stay soft? Is there more room on productivity and new products to keep raising gross margins?
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
The short answer is yes.
Ryan Merkel — Analyst, William Blair
Okay. Is it more productivity driven?
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
I'll remind everyone the strategy at ABL is basically a virtuous cycle of product vitality, increasing service levels, using technology to differentiate our products and how we operate the business, and driving productivity. Each one of those is contributing to the margin performance we've delivered and the opportunity that remains in front of us. I would say we have moved the lighting business to a more productive product vitality cadence than it's been, at least since I've been here. That will be a contributor. On the service levels, we are increasing our ability to tie together an order and deliver a higher outcome for both distributors and then projects, through higher performance and higher reliability.
I indicated in the SG&A comment earlier that the technology in our supply chain is starting to impact our productivity even more than it has in the past. Those all come together in our ability to drive productivity. I'll also remind that third quarter last year, we had some more volume than we normally would have as a result of the and this was pre-price increases, pre-tariffs. You could see the expansion that ABL was naturally able to deliver in its gross profit margin.
We're doing all of this work, as you point out, in a soft volume environment or a tepid volume environment. I shouldn't use that word anymore. When there is volume growth, and there will be volume growth because there is literally not anything in the world that doesn't have a lights in it, we will continue to expand those margins.
Ryan Merkel — Analyst, William Blair
That's awesome. Thanks, Neil. Pass it on.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Thanks.
Christopher Glynn — Analyst, Oppenheimer
Thanks. Good morning.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Hi, Chris.
Christopher Glynn — Analyst, Oppenheimer
Tired of the word tepid, Neil?
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Yeah. I thought I banished it from my vocabulary and it snuck back in, so please strike that from the record.
Christopher Glynn — Analyst, Oppenheimer
Will do. Wanted to double-click on one of the Distech comments about winning with OEM manufacturers. I hadn't heard that before, and I think you indicated that's sort of a new lane for the business.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Yeah, in summary, Chris, the industry recognizes that we have the best technology. As we pointed out, because we're open protocol, we have the ability, and our partners have the ability to do more things with our controllers than they've been able to do in the past. The trend I see there and that I predict will be going forward is that we will be able to consolidate more of the control opportunities among more manufacturers because they have the best of both worlds with the Distech controllers. They have the best technology. They have open protocol. Over time, they have access to the Atrius DataLab, which gives them the opportunity to do all of the things that they want to do with data, with digital control.
At the same time, they can remain expert in the things that they are expert in, which are valves and other things. We're confident about what the opportunity is there. As an aside, that's also how we participate in the data center and market, which is largely as an OEM provider.
Christopher Glynn — Analyst, Oppenheimer
Great. Covered a lot of ground this morning so far. I was actually just curious, during the quarter, the past few months, what you've been spending most of your focused time and energy and priorities in around the organization. A little bird told me you've been traveling a lot around the business.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Yeah. Well, you've got a bird following me around now, Chris. This is a whole another level of. Yeah, I've spent a fair amount of time in the business this quarter. I would highlight maybe four things that have taken up my time. The first is, I'm pleased with the development of our AI platform inside the company. My view is that AI, everyone was going to have a positive impact from AI, all organizations. The ones that understand how to integrate the change in the technology with a change in the business will have the greatest opportunity. I think that's the biggest opportunity for us, and that's where I've spent most of my time, one.
Two is, I've spent a lot of time with each of our teams around product and product velocity and how to use our better, smarter, faster operating system to drive product velocity, which is, I think, a differentiator for our company and a long-term opportunity for us. The third is I spent a lot of time in our facilities. I mentioned earlier we hosted our Board of Directors this week in our Mexican production facilities, and I would tell you that every time I go there, I'm proud of what they are capable of doing. We have a high productivity, incredibly engaged population who are completely aligned with our strategy and literally get better every time I go there.
Then fourth, we mentioned acquisitions earlier in the call. There are opportunities for us to expand AIS. We're out meeting with potential partners and companies on that front. Taken together, I feel really good about what we're doing in this market and the impact that it'll have the opportunity for us on the future.
Christopher Glynn — Analyst, Oppenheimer
Sounds great. Thank you.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Thanks.
Jeffrey Sprague — Founder and Managing Partner, Vertical Research Partners
Hey, thanks. Good morning, everyone. Hey, just trying to get a little bit better or maybe clearer to me anyhow, perspective on the firming you're speaking to, Neil. Just curious, is this more kind of backlog normalization, kind of some of the delayed conversion coming through, or do you see a clear kind of uptick in just kind of the demand response in the end markets themselves?
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Yeah, if I'd say it's a combination of both, primarily I'd focus on a bit of the normalization of the backlog. Obviously a lot of these are kind of long tenured projects. We're seeing them start to move through the pipeline. We've said in the past that we believe that with a normalization or any clarity around policy, inflation, tariffs, et cetera, that the market will react positively to that. I think people can't wait forever on these projects, so they're starting to move through with those. As we look forward in our proprietary data around, or our proprietary models around data, we see kind of a firming of demand for the next kind of 12 months or so, or next four quarters. We don't see a dramatic increase in demand, but we definitely see a firming in demand.
We think that kind of that's a combination of basically the market trying to find some normal patterns.
Jeffrey Sprague — Founder and Managing Partner, Vertical Research Partners
As you've looked at your own data and kind of the external things that many of us look at, have you gotten your head around why ABI continues to be weak and Dodge momentum looks better? We just had another bad ABI print this morning, by the way.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Yeah, we're aware of the ABI print. In fact, I was talking to our head of research this morning, we don't know what's going on with the ABI number, I just remind everyone, you already know this, ABI measures month-over-month change, it has been down for three years. If you stack that, We haven't done the calculation, but you'd be in a really negative place, which is not where the world is. There's something going on in that data that we have not figured out yet.
Jeffrey Sprague — Founder and Managing Partner, Vertical Research Partners
Yeah, I sense there's some sentiment in that as opposed to real activity, but who knows? Thank you very much for the color. I appreciate it.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Thanks, Jeff.
Brian Lee — VP, Goldman Sachs
Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess, Neil, for you, I was curious, the talk around the data center opportunity, I think you've alluded to it at times over the past several calls, but it seems like you're maybe more front-footed at this point. Can you talk to sort of the increasing product set for that end market opportunity, quantify, I don't know if it's SKUs or offerings you have there, and then the kind of product vitality specifically? Then maybe secondarily, just the opportunity, if you can frame it in terms of numbers and the competitive landscape and how it compares to other end markets that Acuity has traditionally been participating in. Just provide a little bit of context, that'd be helpful. Thank you.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
I'll start on the controllers at Distech. Prior, we had competed principally with digital direct controllers, DDCs, and we have participated with at least one of the hyperscalers with DDC controllers. We've added PLC controllers to the mix so that we can meet the requirements or the requests, frankly, of, I think it's a better word, of those hyperscalers that favor PLCs. What we're also seeing from a trend perspective is that more and more of the hyperscalers are realizing the benefits of DDCs, our original DDC control platform. Taken together, this gives us the opportunity to be a reliable supplier for multiple hyperscalers. That's on the control side.
In terms of a magnitude, I think this can be an interesting portion of Distech's business, which obviously is an interesting portion of AIS's business going forward without putting specific dollars around it. We'll see how that scales. On the lighting side, it's kind of worth noting that on a percentage basis, we've had hypergrowth in lighting in data centers, but they're smaller dollar numbers compared to the others. We expect that to continue. We're dealing directly now with contractors who are building for the hyperscalers. We sell directly into them as well as to prefab operators so that we can be the lighting system of choice, and we will be going forward.
I would summarize all of this, Brian, by saying I think we've got a responsible entry into the data center market that's both on the control side as well as on the lighting side. It should be a predictable portion of our growth going forward.
Brian Lee — VP, Goldman Sachs
Super helpful. Maybe just a quick follow-up, Neil. Now that you have that proverbial foot in the door with those key customers, are you seeing more organic growth opportunities within the product set that you can build off of based on feedback you're hearing? Or is this something where you're probably going to have to go and tack things on through inorganic growth, but you're seeing the frontline insights that help you inform what you might do next to expand the footprint opportunity there?
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Well, at this point, Brian, I would emphasize it's all organic. This is all product development on our side, which is the most valuable path for us to grow. I won't rule out that there might be opportunities to tack on things in the future, but I am pleased with our team's ability to enter this dynamic market organically.
Brian Lee — VP, Goldman Sachs
All right. Thanks a lot. I'll pass it on.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Thanks.
Neil Ashe — Chairman, President, and CEO, Acuity
Okay. Thanks, Liz. Thank you all for joining us this morning. As we said in our prepared remarks, we feel like we have delivered solid execution in this quarter. The lighting demand market is firming. We will continue to differentiate ourselves from the competitive set in the lighting side. It's hard not to be impressed with what AIS is doing, both on the Distech side, which we highlighted this quarter, as well as on the QSC side. We're pleased with where we are, we're excited about where we're going, and we look forward to talking to you again next quarter.